AUTHOR NAME BENEATH TITLE

--TRIED TO SEVER TIES WITH THE LONDON SKIES / YOU GOT THE WHOLE THING WROOONG!!!

Edit: Alright, I tried. I just have to get this stuff off my chest. Seriously, you fellows are missing the point by far. Laziness and convenience are not the same thing.

When you put on a backpack to go to school, are you being lazy? No, the backpack is simply providing you with a way to carry your books. That's convenience. It would be lazy if you yourself got in a backpack and let someone else carry you.

You don't have to get rid of the details section. I don't have a PROBLEM with the details section. You also don't have to add the author's name anywhere else BESIDES the details section. It's all functioning perfectly well.

But you also don't have to put your books in a book bag. You can carry them by hand--and I'm sure some people are fine with that. I, however, in the interest of those who aren't fine with it (particularly, ahem, myself), would like a book bag. It would help me out in so many ways! You guys can still carry your stuff by hand; no one's stopping you. And my bag isn't going to jump out and attack you in the middle of the night. No one loses here!

Granted, not many people are siding with me on this, so this is all coming across as a self-centered suggestion--and as democracy goes, right? I agree that my idea is relatively insignificant and self-centered. I'm fine with being denied; not all suggestions get approved. I'm fine with going back to the main gamepage and scrolling down every single time just to find the name of a developer. (Don't try to pretend like this isn't true.) But quit acting like me making a suggestion is a fundamentally wrong thing to do. This is how "feedback" works. If you don't like it, you're welcome to say so. But every time one of you comes at me like I'm some retard who doesn't know why I made the suggestion in the first place, I have to stand up for myself. It is unfortunately making matters worse, but...a man's gotta have his pride!

"Are you by chance blind?" "If you are too lazy that's not our fault."
Only a picture of a blind old cat rubbing its belly after lapping up a bowl of milk and honey would do your ignorance justice. Sadly I don't know how to insert images.

Darken (despite bringing good points to the table, some of which I agree with), Azn, tardis, and Lennon: if you guys like teamwork so much, I SUGGEST you start working together on the formidable task of pulling your heads out of one another's asses. I keep saying "Hey, I guess no one agrees with me, oh well!" and you all keep beating the dead horse by trying to make me sound stupid for actually having the balls to make the suggestion regardless of its triviality. What are you accomplishing by calling me lazy? By declaring matter-of-factly that no one cares about my suggestion? By shooting down all of my alternative ideas and stating that I know nothing of teamwork--which, by the way, WAS NEVER AN ISSUE? You elitist pricks. The argument is done! If WIP keeps the idea at a red light then OKAY. That does not make me wrong for bringing it up, nor any of you right for derailing it. It just means people have different opinions; that we're all individuals who have ideas, big and small, worth sharing. Kumba-fucking-ya.

Here, maybe this might change your opinions a bit (should've done this sooner--if only I'd know how to insert images):


Looks a tad cluttered due to the dates, so I'd modify or omit them if necessary. Otherwise I think this looks hardly any different than before--except now we know who made the game immediately beneath its title, and on ALL the game's pages, not just its main page. I also think there's enough room to list at least two developers with really long names up there.

Is this such a bad idea that we've spent four pages arguing against it? How can that be!

I'm not arguing with you any more, just look at the previous post and call it a night, please.

You're right, you can see the developer on the first page without scrolling (providing your screen is big enough--this won't quite look the same on an iPhone or PSP browser), but you still won't see the developer on the image pages. That means I'd have to go back to the main page every time just to find the developer's name. Same goes for the review section of the page where there is no developer name at all, and to a certain extent (though obviously not as seriously) on all the other pages that may be offered, such as blogs and walkthroughs. Having the author's name under the title would solve this.

I don't think the suggestion is dumb either because it is only for the event that all the developers' names won't fit under the title; it's an exceptional case. But, again, again, this is only one suggestion. If you think it is dumb, feel free to come up with something more functional, please.

1. Now we are getting somewhere. POSTED BY under the images? So simple, so convenient, so virgin... I endorse.

Also, I happen to forget the author of a game when I'm viewing images because there are a lot of games on this site, and sometimes it's hard to tell them apart. (Especially since some use the exact same tilesets.)

2/4. I was referring to the developer's name on the review page, and I didn't mean to point out walkthroughs specifically; just unusual pages (usual pages being: Blog, Images, and Downloads). That said, not every author is going to write MY WALKTHROUGH BY ME. Certainly not every author. Maybe not even half of every author. ...Were you being sarcastic?

Speaking of blogs, I was confused by Azn about who is allowed to post on blogs; the person running the gamepage or any of the developers for the game. I got the impression that other people could edit some aspects of the gamepage. Either way you are correct, the developer is right there; poor example. Just regard the other sections I mentioned. I mean geez, you don't have to quote me down to the letter.

And yeah, you don't have to come up with suggestions, either, but it is rather unfair that you are telling me what is wrong with my own suggestion and then waiting for me to come up with more suggestions just to tell me how wrong I am again. In other words what I'm actually asking you is: "How about lending me a hand so that this feature can become something everyone here will appreciate, as opposed to repeatedly kicking my chair?" Just another extension for compromise. You can turn your back on it as often as you like if you feel so strongly against the suggestion.

About that post at the bottom, I agree that it's a convenient idea and I think it would be worth testing. I still think there are ways to put two and two together, though. For example: How about making both suggestions options we can turn on/off in our accounts? (Though I think that would definitely be pushing WIP's buttons, if you get my meaning.) Remember, just an example. There are other ways.

One more time...

...we are not bothering to come up with suggestions because seriously, as we have said, we don't feel this is a necessary thing to implement.

I don't even see why you need to know the developers' names all the time.

Darken and I already discussed--hnnngh.

No, it's not "necessary", but it would help. No, I don't "need" to know the developers' names all the time, but it would be convenient.

If you want to see other stuff they made it's certainly easy enough to just click the developer's name and see their profile... or if you're on an image page it's like one extra click back to the main page.

One "extra" click times seven times five (internet speed) times two times x number of games; how many seconds do I waste per week week doing that "extra" click?

Approximately 70x. I can't believe we are arguing over this either, but yeah. For every ten games I visit, I waste eleven and a half minutes each week. For every ten games you visit, you waste eleven and a half minutes each week as well (unless you've got faster internet than cable). For every ten games everyone in this topic visits, rpgmaker.net potentially wastes 1 hour and 21 minutes doing something entirely useless.

So no, I don't enjoy clicking back to the main page over and fucking over, day in and day out. Especially when there are places the author's name could be inserted on each page: beneath the title, through a POSTED BY notice, and etc. We may not "need" to include these links, but is it really "necessary" that we waste time when it could be avoided?

Ugh, I can sense you preparing a counter already without even stopping to consider whether I'm making sense. Now this is proving to be a waste of time.

Seriously, most of us are busy working on our games or writing reviews or whatnot to worry about something like this, especially because we pretty much all think it's fine righty now.

I'm gonna let this thread simmer after this because right here, you are telling me something that in no way changes my opinion, but provides evidence that the only thing you care about is pointing out just how trivial this whole ordeal is. Even though I've said time and again that I agree with you and that my suggestion was brought up mainly for the fact that it is easy to implement, you just keep repeating in different ways that it is not easy to implement, that it is useless, and that there are no positive aspects to it. And I keep saying that, for me, there is a positive aspect: convenience, and even though it obviously won't matter to you, it also doesn't need to hinder your experience either--to which end I've come up with idea over idea just to try to appease you.

I'm not asking you to worry about it, only to understand that nothing will affect you if this idea is implemented in the right way. The eraser will still be there. You will still have the option of carrying your books by hand. I get that I am pretty much the only one arguing this, but there are people who've agreed with me at some point or other that this idea would make things easier for them--almost as many people as are objecting, IIRC.

And besides, only WIP can decide whether it is fine or not, though from the looks of it you guys have muddled up the idea enough to turn him away from it. So please stop worrying and let him do the deciding. (Or...not deciding, as the case may be.) I won't go rioting and chewing people's ears off if nothing gets changed, I promise. As you all keep repeating over and over and I keep agreeing with: yes, the site remains functional with or without an author's name beneath the games' titles.

Edit: I just spent the last three minutes calming myself down. 1100 views? You guys serious? The only way threads this insignificant get that many views is if there is a flame war. Maybe lennon was right.

And now I've deleted a paragraph of angry ranting to simply say: I don't like flame wars. (explains my headache and that bad knot I get in my stomach when I visit the site these days). This is my last post in this thread. If WIP is reading this, please do the right thing as admin and scrap all this nonsense; it's really a very poor show of community teamwork and communication--and almost childishly so. This is a place for development and distribution, and by that meaning you were all 100% right in saying that my idea really doesn't mean the dirt anyone's shoes. I sincerely apologize to everyone for letting this blow out of proportion. This is not a joke and I'm not kidding around: I'm trying to be as mature and humble about this as I can.

As this is a flame thread, I already see the humiliation coming, but I'm fine with that; you guys can embarrass me however you see fit in this thread and others. I just hope you realize that you contributed to this whole mess just like I did.