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This is actually one of the most advanced instances of harmony in 20th century music. But I suppose a regular listener would not find it endlessly compelling, heh.
my trigger finger is itchy. whenever i hear the word culture i remove the safety from my browning!
TheDigitalMonk
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post=148549post=148434This is actually one of the most advanced instances of harmony in 20th century music. But I suppose a regular listener would not find it endlessly compelling, heh.
I would have listed SotN too if it wasn't for this: playing for like half the game.
Just a couple things real quick...
Firstly, it's not even close to being an "advanced instance of harmony," especially when compared to other 20th century pieces, and secondly, if you're defining a "regular listener" as someone who doesn't have any musical experience (and that therefore they don't like the song) then I'll be the evidence against since I have to agree that the track isn't particularly great (and I'm a music major).
:P
Not trying to flame, just had to set that straight.
tell me more about your definition of advanced harmony
maybe i should not have said 20th century specifically because then new age voodoo theorists can be like WELL THERE IS NO SERIALISM OR LYDIAN CHROMATICISM HERE or NOT ENOUGH 13TH CHORD
maybe i should not have said 20th century specifically because then new age voodoo theorists can be like WELL THERE IS NO SERIALISM OR LYDIAN CHROMATICISM HERE or NOT ENOUGH 13TH CHORD
All I know is
A) I dig that tune, and
B)that being a super-advanced musician is no protection against being a tasteless boring fucknut( READ: Joe Satriani).
That being said, if you're a musician, there's some stuff you hear that non-musicians don't( Depending on how good of a musician you are.). I mean, I'm no classically trained superscientist, but if me and my buddy Zach were listening to... say, "Lookin' out for #1" by BTO, I could tell him " Man, I love that chromatically descending chord progression he's got going on there." and he wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about.
A) I dig that tune, and
B)that being a super-advanced musician is no protection against being a tasteless boring fucknut( READ: Joe Satriani).
That being said, if you're a musician, there's some stuff you hear that non-musicians don't( Depending on how good of a musician you are.). I mean, I'm no classically trained superscientist, but if me and my buddy Zach were listening to... say, "Lookin' out for #1" by BTO, I could tell him " Man, I love that chromatically descending chord progression he's got going on there." and he wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about.
TheDigitalMonk
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Ya, I believe pretty strongly that having a musical background does not therefore give you more authority to say what is "good music" and what is "bad music." If you like a tune, then it's good, regardless of what the "elite" think.
So with that being said, I'm not trying to argue that it's wrong to like that SOTN tune, I'm just saying that it's really not all that particularly complex or notable.
Doesn't mean it's bad or good :)
So with that being said, I'm not trying to argue that it's wrong to like that SOTN tune, I'm just saying that it's really not all that particularly complex or notable.
Doesn't mean it's bad or good :)
are you enjoying your idealist utopia
here's a bit of advice: an in-depth knowledge of even the fundamentals of music theory gives you a better standpoint from which to apply a critical eye to music. it's the same with any other art form. you have to know what's good before you can declare anything so, and you have to know which rules can be broken
we're hijackiing this thread !! تَكÙ'بÙير
here's a bit of advice: an in-depth knowledge of even the fundamentals of music theory gives you a better standpoint from which to apply a critical eye to music. it's the same with any other art form. you have to know what's good before you can declare anything so, and you have to know which rules can be broken
we're hijackiing this thread !! تَكÙ'بÙير
be forewarned: subject matter knowledge often leads you to better identify faults and missteps in works in that subject, often resulting in the lowering of your enjoyment of said works.
Ignorance is bliss...at least when it comes to consumable entertainment media.
Ignorance is bliss...at least when it comes to consumable entertainment media.
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be forewarned: subject matter knowledge often leads you to better identify faults and missteps in works in that subject, often resulting in the lowering of your enjoyment of bad works.
also i have an advantage in this field where i can tell the difference between an artefact of the recording process and something that's just.. bad..
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Ya, I believe pretty strongly that having a musical background does not therefore give you more authority to say what is "good music" and what is "bad music." If you like a tune, then it's good, regardless of what the "elite" think.
So with that being said, I'm not trying to argue that it's wrong to like that SOTN tune, I'm just saying that it's really not all that particularly complex or notable.
Doesn't mean it's bad or good :)
you didnt explain your criteria for sophisticated harmonic language
also liking garbage means you're ignorant and unable to distinguish quality works, an uneducated person's haphazard opinion does not somehow imbue a poorly crafted work with effective design
that is just a modern bourgeois mentality that allows the uninitiated to receive praise and compensation for mediocre work because the culture they have built renders their laziness and utter lack of virtue unassailable due to the convenient 'subjectivity' clause
post=149052post=148910you didnt explain your criteria for sophisticated harmonic language
Ya, I believe pretty strongly that having a musical background does not therefore give you more authority to say what is "good music" and what is "bad music." If you like a tune, then it's good, regardless of what the "elite" think.
So with that being said, I'm not trying to argue that it's wrong to like that SOTN tune, I'm just saying that it's really not all that particularly complex or notable.
Doesn't mean it's bad or good :)
also liking garbage means you're ignorant and unable to distinguish quality works, an uneducated person's haphazard opinion does not somehow imbue a poorly crafted work with effective design
that is just a modern bourgeois mentality that allows the uninitiated to receive praise and compensation for mediocre work because the culture they have built renders their laziness and utter lack of virtue unassailable due to the convenient 'subjectivity' clause
I think all he means( Or if not that, at least all I meant in my comment, although now that I think about it I could have worded that comment differently) is that a musically educated person can still have bad taste and make bad music. It's not an absolute.
However, that's certainly not as likely, but it's still possible, I should think.
And aren't we supposed to be talking about videogame soundtracks instead of discussing the merits of a musical education anyway?
Shinan
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Also, I just thought I should mention Solstice for the NES: Listen to the opening for christsakes!
and the ending theme is so goddamned catchy. Too bad the game is like impossible:
Hoooooly shit. These are awesome!
Kef
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post=148910
Ya, I believe pretty strongly that having a musical background does not therefore give you more authority to say what is "good music" and what is "bad music."
"Ya, I believe pretty strongly that having a medical background does not therefore give you more authority to say what is "good medicine" and what is "bad medicine."
Gotta love the staff roll medleys:
Just finished the game few days ago, too.
And good example of the reason I mentioned Michiko Naruke earlier:
This should be pointed out again though, because it was really awesome to hear it played live:
Just finished the game few days ago, too.
And good example of the reason I mentioned Michiko Naruke earlier:
This should be pointed out again though, because it was really awesome to hear it played live:
Nines
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I don't know how particular this order is, but:
1) Diablo (Diablo 2's soundtrack can suck it)
2) MDK (or pretty much anything by Tommy Tallarico)
3) Quake 3 (Front Line Assembly, bitch!)
4) Mechwarrior 2
5) The 7th Guest
6) Wipeout XL
7) Portal
8) Myst / Riven
9) System Shock 2
10) Fallout
EDIT: I'm an idiot.
1) Diablo (Diablo 2's soundtrack can suck it)
2) MDK (or pretty much anything by Tommy Tallarico)
3) Quake 3 (Front Line Assembly, bitch!)
4) Mechwarrior 2
5) The 7th Guest
6) Wipeout XL
7) Portal
8) Myst / Riven
9) System Shock 2
10) Fallout
EDIT: I'm an idiot.
