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CloseI knew it! The internet will be gone becuase of the government, it will be all over for internet surfers! And, if anything goes wrong, no one will be able to get info. around easy enough, all because of this! And it will cause another war! THERE IS NO PEACE BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT I TELL YOU, NO PEACE!!!
Edit:Maybe I should of read all the posts before I posted this XD
Edit:Maybe I should of read all the posts before I posted this XD
author=alterego
and we'd be forced to use only legal versions of rpgmaker, and make our own graphics, our own music, etc. ...
Wouldn't that really depend on the license attached to the work (if any)? And how would they know whether one's copy of RPG Maker was legal or not?
author=Archeia_Nessiah
A lot of game developers say that in Game Design books. Don't worry~
No worries here. :)
author=Dyhalto
Your listening to some guy who is a "very high respected game designer in the industry, who wrote a couple of books" is deadweight on your own ability. Art comes from within, and your within should be filled with your own experiences and views of the world. Everybody's journey to success is different. If you base your work around what you read in "Game Design books" or heard from a "very high respected game designer in the industry", you'll never advance as an artist.
I don't agree, but okay. :)
that's wrong Dyhalto. Until very very recently in human history, art was about copying the masters, and to assume that you had some deep artistic insight into the human condition at age 17 would be viewed as pretentious and laughable.
But more on topic, it is very naive to think that one can't progress in art and learn by studying the teachings and work of others.
But more on topic, it is very naive to think that one can't progress in art and learn by studying the teachings and work of others.
author=Dyhaltoauthor=Archeia_NessiahI don't mean to be offensive, but that's a very close minded thing to say =|
There is no such thing as original anymore, is there?
'Originality' depends on your definition of it. Every idea we ever get is inspired by something, so either originality is a very high level of creativity or it never existed to begin with.
A lot of things are inspired by what happens in real life doesn't it? Just using the world itself as a base is already not original. You already borrowed a lot of ideas/bases from the real world. That isn't original in itself wouldn't it~ The character personalities you base on could be exaggerated versions of yourself or of another person. If by anything it's original "how you get to used it first or some sort of thing."
I remember a saying, Nothing is original under the sun. Something of that derivation. I'd rather say "unique on how it's executed, to have evoked something in you in a different way " to be honest, than original. Isn't the definition of Original, "The One that Started it All?" or Something serving as a model or basis for imitations or copies. That's why I don't believe what we have most are originals but just derivations from our surroundings. For example, clothes could've been based on Animal Hide. etc.
author=kentona
But more on topic, it is very naive to think that one can't progress in art and learn by studying the teachings and work of others.
I agree. Art isn't only about practice and doing "your own thing", if you wanna be really good you need to learn from the masters, which happen to have flushed out almost all they know, into books. :) And I know what I'm talking about, from experience.
Dyhalto
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author=kentona
it is very naive to think that one can't progress in art and learn by studying the teachings and work of others.
Citing the "very high respected game designer in the industry, who wrote a couple of books" example from before, you aren't studying the work of others by taking in someone else's word ad verbatim. You're supposed to analyze and comprehend the fundamentals, then build your own structure from there. Examine the art, not the artist.
Simply absorbing "this is how you do it" and using that is fine for science and mechanics, but art requires an intuitive base that can't be transferred conventionally.
After saying "Everybody's journey to success is different", I'm kind of beating myself silly here =x Just thought I'd chime in about how I don't see the value in art instruction.
Any problems with learning in general, Dyhalto ? If you close yourself to everything others can teach you, through whatever means, not only will you never progress, but you might end up in some kind of dead end.. (some thinking).
author=Dyhalto
Citing the "very high respected game designer in the industry, who wrote a couple of books" example from before, you aren't studying the work of others by taking in someone else's word ad verbatim. You're supposed to analyze and comprehend the fundamentals, then build your own structure from there. Examine the art, not the artist.
Simply absorbing "this is how you do it" and using that is fine for science and mechanics, but art requires an intuitive base that can't be transferred conventionally.
After saying "Everybody's journey to success is different", I'm kind of beating myself silly here =x Just thought I'd chime in about how I don't see the value in art instruction.
I realize just now, you got the whole thing out of context... you went on a rant about Video game Art, which isn't Game Design. To put it simply:
-Game Designers Are NOT Programmers
-Game Designers Are NOT Artists
-Game Designers Are NOT Audio Engineers or Musicians
-Game Designers Are Visionaries
Also, to some of you who make the wrong assumptions: For years now, I've been completely past the whole "I know more than you mr. rpgmaker developer" contest, actually... I was never there in the first place. Just never been my style. If I make references to books and whatever, it's only to enlighten and or support the topic at hand. Hope that helps, in case anyone is confused about my intentions. :)
author=Archeia_Nessiah
It's been canned :D
I'm sure a lot of people, myself included, would love to read up on the development. Got any links for us? =3
facesforce
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Hmm... Well, I am having trouble finding stories for this online. For it being canned I mean.
However, looking around this does strike me as a political ploy for the president of the states: I do remember a protest page on the white house gov page, and this does seem to be a bit of a simple case, seeing how the beloved president likes to just do as he pleases abusing the executive order in the fashion of a tyrant. Hmm...
However, looking around this does strike me as a political ploy for the president of the states: I do remember a protest page on the white house gov page, and this does seem to be a bit of a simple case, seeing how the beloved president likes to just do as he pleases abusing the executive order in the fashion of a tyrant. Hmm...
I can't find a news post in regards to it being dropped nor is anything like that posted in a thread about this on another forum. I'd hold off the sigh of relief for now until some more official news with a source comes around.
How most people go about piracy, and copyright laws as of late, has been working so far. If you find them, you take them out. Our Government, is just getting really lazy, and just doesn't want to do the actual work involved in finding and getting rid of these people through an individual by individual basis. So they are trying to pass this bill. Which, in my honest opinion, will not pass. It's passing by other, smaller, groups whose opinion only matters up until the point it gets to the main people. But the top people, should hopefully focus in on the fact that it will harm potential income, and outrage the people. If not, the many large groups of people against it, speaking out should help this.
Dyhalto
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After some DD, I found that the Protect IP Act isn't dead yet; just on Hold. Give Oregon Senator Ron Wyden your gratitude for that.
A little political activism on the part of any Americans here would be useful. The whole thing is designed to destroy the entire creative aspect of the internet. If you think the web would better serve you as Cable TV with point-and-click, do nothing.
Also, if this act passes as is, RMN is immediately blockable. Look at all the copyrighted material in the games hosted here :D
A little political activism on the part of any Americans here would be useful. The whole thing is designed to destroy the entire creative aspect of the internet. If you think the web would better serve you as Cable TV with point-and-click, do nothing.
Also, if this act passes as is, RMN is immediately blockable. Look at all the copyrighted material in the games hosted here :D
Arandomgamemaker
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author=Dyhalto
After some DD, I found that the Protect IP Act isn't dead yet; just on Hold. Give Oregon Senator Ron Wyden your gratitude for that.
A little political activism on the part of any Americans here would be useful. The whole thing is designed to destroy the entire creative aspect of the internet. If you think the web would better serve you as Cable TV with point-and-click, do nothing.
Also, if this act passes as is, RMN is immediately blockable. Look at all the copyrighted material in the games hosted here :D
Think happy thoughts....-.-
I may be 14, but the instant i hear this, i think the word "Stupid".
I mean, come on, getting rid of Facebook/Youtube/other blog/search engines? That will pretty much be the final straw for the White House. Have you guys been following the protests around the world? Do you KNOW what will happen if it is approved? The riots will become TREMENDOUS. Are they really so thick headed as to sign their own suicide notes?
author=CharlesGabrielauthor=Archeia_NessiahNo worries here. :)
A lot of game developers say that in Game Design books. Don't worry~author=Dyhalto
Your listening to some guy who is a "very high respected game designer in the industry, who wrote a couple of books" is deadweight on your own ability. Art comes from within, and your within should be filled with your own experiences and views of the world. Everybody's journey to success is different. If you base your work around what you read in "Game Design books" or heard from a "very high respected game designer in the industry", you'll never advance as an artist.
I don't agree, but okay. :)
If you go by other people's stuff, you're only copying their experiences. Thus you're just a branch off of something else, and truly would never be seen as an original artist in any sense. You HAVE to create your own experiences. Art expresses what YOU are. Not what someone else is. What they did and/ or didn't do.
Art shouldn't be a copy of what you like (like, in terms of styles of someone else. Ideas of those people, as well.), and basically, what it seems other people like. Someone said Art is living and breathing. It needs to be expressed by your own experiences. Copy Artists never get anywhere in this day and age.
Dyhalto
7536
^ What he said
Facebook, youtube, etc won't be gotten rid of in any way. From what I gather, the way it works is that a company like Nintento who feels it's IP rights are being violated will serve Google (and other engines) with a notice saying "RMN has a lot of our copyrighted material. Block them from your search results." I'm not sure of the extent of the block, whether it's just engine/browser stuff that can be circumvented if you already know about the site, or if it's a straight-up Chinese style firewall.
As for riots if it passes, I don't think any substantial numbers will notice if it passes for awhile. I mentioned in a previous post that application will be slow and gradual. They won't want the frog to jump out of the boiling pot.
author=Arandomgamemaker
I mean, come on, getting rid of Facebook/Youtube/other blog/search engines?
Have you guys been following the protests around the world? Do you KNOW what will happen if it is approved?
Facebook, youtube, etc won't be gotten rid of in any way. From what I gather, the way it works is that a company like Nintento who feels it's IP rights are being violated will serve Google (and other engines) with a notice saying "RMN has a lot of our copyrighted material. Block them from your search results." I'm not sure of the extent of the block, whether it's just engine/browser stuff that can be circumvented if you already know about the site, or if it's a straight-up Chinese style firewall.
As for riots if it passes, I don't think any substantial numbers will notice if it passes for awhile. I mentioned in a previous post that application will be slow and gradual. They won't want the frog to jump out of the boiling pot.
