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Civil Rights v. 3,000 Year-Old Book; Tome Wins

I'll find it. He said nothing about homosexuality, it just said what marriage was.

edit: I could be wrong, but it would mean that I got false info by well versed Christians. Never actually read it myself. Checking now.

Fuck it, I don't want to find it, I'll ask my close buddy about it next time I see him. That's sort of crucial to his whole argument, and I've assumed he had his facts right as he's more well versed in the Bible (obviously) than I am.

How do you guys feel about pop punk?

Punk-pop is probably my favorite genre.

The Ergs!- Dorkrockcorkrod is one of the best albums ever. I really liked Chinese Telephones album as well, and ofcourse early stuff by Screeching Weasel and the Queers is just classic.

Lots of different kinds of punk music, Fugazi is a punk band and very technically proficient. I guess the problem is the make many on a genre, the mainstream has to limit it's definition drastically. Not all punk is southern Californian three chords fast drums singing.

Ska is good for dancing.

Anyone here from the Atlanta area?

Hardly any black people in Vancouver, and they were very different culturally than the African-Americans I met. . Meeting my first African-American person was more of an experience than I thought it would be. Seemed like he was from a completely different culture than I was.

Civil Rights v. 3,000 Year-Old Book; Tome Wins

I think if you want to use rational arguments, you can't use them against straw men arguments, but the best anti-gay marriage argument, which I think goes something like this:

America is a Christian country. This doesn't only mean that the majority of Americans are Christian now, but that the people who founded this country were Christians, their principles and ideas and way of living came from Christianity. Science cannot provide certainty. It can provide us with the highly probable reason, but not certainty. Faith can provide certainty. Faith in the scientific method can provide science with certainty, and faith in what the Bible says or at the very least what Jesus said to be the truth is absolutely for Christians. If a person is Christian and picks and chooses what they like of what Jesus said or what the Bible said, then they are not getting their morality from Christianity, but modern society and picking and choosing which aspects fit in with their life, right? OK. So, the old testament says a lot of extreme things, and Jesus says that marriage is an institution between a man and a wife. If you're a Christian you believe this is the son of God, and if you believe the son of God defined marriage as between a husband and wife, then it doesn't matter how society wants to change the definition of marriage, it'll always be untrue. The absolute objective truth comes from God, and it has been said. Anything that society decided to do otherwise is merely a socially constructed concept of marriage with no true meaning. The trump card for certainty is that God said it. If God said it, it's not questionable. For example if God said all men are equal and to love all men, and then someone decided to change that and make a society of hierarchy, then in the eyes of the Christian it doesn't matter how that man changed the rules, the rule of God is always the true rule and all men will always be equal and it is right to always love all men. The difference is the latter example fits with our current eras way of thinking, and the former doesn't fit so well. To the Christian though that doesn't matter since both are said by God, and truth doesn't change with the times, it stays universally eternally true. If Christianity provides this sort ultimate certainty, and America is based on Christian values and has majority Christians, then why would Americans want to defy natural law and pretend that gay marriage is true when God said it is not?


So yeah, at least from the debates I have with people, that seems to be the argument that needs to be attacked. If it doesn't make sense, I could explain parts fuller.

Kinda serious topic; how well do you guys/gals get along with your dads?

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Family are just a bunch of humans you happen to share a bit of genetic material with, so it's kind of illogical to expect subatomic factors to cause you to be well suited for love, friendship, or even acquaintanceship with them. Like, it's not as if you chose to interact with those people based on a careful consideration of interpersonal dynamics, it is just sort of random chance that you deal with them at all. So unless you are the sort of person who gets on well with everyone chances are low the humans who happened to be your "family" will be people who are well suited for close personal relationships with you. For this reason I don't understand why people set so much store by relationships with their parents or siblings. I think it's the lingering remnants of some ancient tribal mentality, but really there is no logical reason to consider a poor relationship with one's father or any other genetically related human being cause for distress. Yet some people will harbor all sorts of neuroses for their entire lifetimes on the pretense of "did not get on well with my X". It seems like a waste to worry about it that much! Anyway that is just... how I see it. ^^

ps i was actually orphaned


You're joking, right? I just don't get the joke.

What are you currently reading?

Camus is one of my favorite authors.

I like the Plague more than the Stranger, but they are both really good.

I also have no problems with translations. 3 of my 4 favourite authors did not write in English, and I'm glad I've read them.

Your Top 5

It may be cliche, but there's a reason, they're all great games (well, I've never played the Fire Emblem one).

Kinda serious topic; how well do you guys/gals get along with your dads?

I have a good relationship with my dad. We don't talk too often, but we can always connect fairly easily, and he (and my mom) always have a bed at my place, and me at theirs. He wasn't that good at communicating when I was younger, we've both gotten good at it.

College Majors, Laziness, and Irritation - I swear this topic is in the valid section!

I read the short story and thought it would be a lot worse than it was. I'm not sure what I think of it yet, I'll think about it and get back to you.

College Majors, Laziness, and Irritation - I swear this topic is in the valid section!

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Canuck: I trust you haven't tried looking for a job in the US since the market crash in 2008? Well, I imagine you've never tried looking for a job in the US at all, because you're a canuck :-p

Anyway . . . it's basically impossible to get a decent job in the US right now. This is especially true if you don't have specific, highly specialized skills in a particular field. The white-collar job market is flooded with recent layoffs who have a lot more to offer than a plucky 20-something that recently learned a lot about art history. It's not about trying hard; there are countless stories about people who put in literally hundreds of applications without a single call-back.


I wasn't thinking in terms of the current economic climate, this is true. I was including friends who are now in America though.

Yeah, it would suck to look for a job now, wouldn't it?