INSTINCT'S PROFILE

author=LockeZ
Uh. If you're the only one as far as you know who doesn't appreciate something, and no one's done it to you... then you have no reason to complain about it.

Incorrect. It doesn't have to be done to ME... for me not to appreciate it. I don't appreciate it when elitist pricks bash those who are too meek to speak for themselves... and end up never allowing their work to see the light of day because they are too afraid of what bashing they might receive.

author=LockeZ
The only possible reason to complain about people you don't know helping other people you don't know in a way you wouldn't personally like if it were you is to be a dick.

Incorrect. If I see people nitpicking something unnecessarily.. I don't have to be a dick to say something about it. But I CAN be a dick in the way I go about it.

As stated... act like one, get treated like one, right? Touche!

Like I said, you can keep trying if you want.

author=Dyhalto
This is a completely baseless accusation.

What's "baseless" is your statement that it is baseless. Because I HAVE seen it. And you stating that you agree about people nitpicking, and stating that the above is "baseless" as if you haven't seen it as well... do not mesh together very well.

author=Dyhalto
As someone whose been here for ~2 years now, there's no malice or jealousy behind anybody's nitpicking.

There is no jealousy. There is no malice. It is most likely one unconsciously. But that does not take away from the fact that it is there. So that point is irrelevant.

author=Dyhalto
We just look at a screenshot, and only see it as a sole item without remembering that it's part of a big picture.

Perhaps we shouldn't do that?

You say that people simply judge by what they see, without realizing it's part of a bigger picture. Perhaps I'm doing the same thing... I'm judging the way people are judging. I only see it the way it is presented... and not seeing all of the "I only meant to help" motives that lies beneath.

I mean, I am, afterall, criticizing SOMETHING, right? Why is it that you can criticize someone's hard work so harshly, and I cannot criticize the way you criticize?

author=Dyhalto
edit : Oh, what I originally meant was : A week from now, after this thread's been locked, and we're all doing our own RM thing, nobody will remember that you were picking fights anybody who would bite. You'll post a gamepage and some screenshots, people will muddle in and say "looks good man... but you missed a spot". You'll either shrug it off or obsess over it like I do. Life will go on.

And no, that's not how it works. People remember. The fact that you bothered to post your thoughts here shows it is something that stirred a portion of your brain. Nobody says "Hey, I don't give a crap, therefore I will take the time to tell you so" and actually mean it. What you just attempted there was already attempted 2 or three times above your post... I simply did not point it out. You know this is ACTUALLY studied in Social Economics? People do it, without realizing that others are keen on the fact that they are doing it. In a nutshell, it is a subtle way of stating how inconsequential the other person is to you.

You are just failing left and right. Stop.

author=LockeZ

author=Dyhalto

author=Instinct
The day I made this thread, every single one of you branded me. And will have nothing good to say about me for a long time to come.

Nah, we have short memories. The vast majority of us are more interested in RMing than judging each other.
I think.

Who are you again?

Someone who has seen all of your predictable one-liner responses before. You, LockeZ... single-handedly epitomized GamingWorld.

Example:
Original sender: "Please do not hit 'reply all' to this email"
LockeZ: *uses reply all and says:* "Ok, I won't hit 'reply all'"

It's that kind of predictable response that you do. Just... stop man.

@Lotus_Games: Your last post above is right on the money. Your post before that...way off base because you didn't continue to read.

@Dyhalto:

Nah, we have short memories. The vast majority of us are more interested in RMing than judging each other.
I think.

YOU may be like that. Some people enjoy pointing out flaws more than they do working on their games. It puts them on a pedestal. It is a giant sign that says, "Hey, I know my shit!" You can deny this. You can try at least. But I've seen it oh so many times. You can come up with justifiable-BS on how this is inaccurate. But it is oh so very true.

EDIT:

You know, in retrospect... this place is NOT worse than Gaming World... if compared to Gaming World at it's peak. But... it's pretty comparable to GW when GW was starting up and people were learning RM, and Bart was still relying on the RM community as a whole to jump start his "empire" before they decided to renounce it.

I may not have approached my message in the best way... but damn near ALL of the responses in this thread is a carbon copy of the early days of GW. If any of you remember that, you would know this. Granted I started it... but the retaliation is the same. It was no "turn the other cheek"... it was a dead replica. Yeah, you push people they push back.

So... Maybe we are ALL really just the same shit all over again... regardless of how hard we try to state we are better than the ones who came before. Maybe GW was normal after all judging by how this all turned out?

author=UPRC
Seriously, the purpose of this topic eludes me entirely because it feels like on every page of the topic you're giving us a new reason to explain why you made this topic in the first place. Whatever you're trying to say or do, it's incredible disjointed and being conveyed in a terrible manner and, as a result, it's fucking with our heads.

This is kind of a common thing to do... to say something that when fleshed out, you find it really holds no water.

You say I give different reasons... I made several posts on different pages stating the SAME reason. I think people just skim, skip posts, and then say what they want without really reading everything. Not your fault... people do that.

Page 2, first post:

"The point I’m trying to make is that most people aren’t doing this level of production… yet they dish out comments to newbies as if they were creating this type of work."

Page 3:

"Again you miss the point, and you fail to understand what is being said so let me state again: It isnt about which games are better, but rather that the people dishing out all the "how to" around here don't really know what they're talking about.

Page 3 again:

"Exactly... you have room to learn, we all do. So the next time you speak to new community members don't act like you don't."

On Page 4, long post that actually goes into DETAIL:

"So HERE'S what REALLY caused me to post this topic... if you must know.

I like screenshots. I frequent your screenshots topic. I went there and I saw a comment from someone saying something about a flaw in someone's map. I just thought to myself, "Are you serious? You're really nitpicking over that little detail? The map looks great, and I bet you won't even notice that when you actually play the game if it is presented well."

And then there was one post about... how the smile on someone's custom picture was... "off". It was a nicely done piece of work, mind you. Blended well, showed a lot of effort, and is the kind of project that goes somewhere. And the "smile is off"? Are you serious? How about "That looks great, keep up the good work"? Because it does look great... I can't believe you actually paid that much attention to the "smile" on that picture.

You're telling them to correct that amazing piece of work... and at the same time giving me a speech about how "this is just a hobby".

And so that's where I came out with, "You can't even make a game as good as that..." and hence the post.

Yes, nostalgia shot through me alright... but it wasn't nostalgia "from the good old days". But rather from all the little "Hey, guess how good I am at pointing out all the little things wrong with your project" crowd. You KNOW what crowd I'm talking about.

And they were usually the ones who never really contributed much to the community. Let's face it, good game makers are good game makers, and bad ones are bad. The community would have thrived regardless without nitpicking (constructive criticism) like that... because the bad ones will inevitably play (and learn) from the good ones."

Page 4 again:

"You know I came here full of inspiration to start making games again. Thought it would be a nice place to start. What I witnessed in these forums... robbed me of all of that inspiration. And the fact that it is MILD compared to GW means nothing.

You are all right, what's happening here is exactly like GW. Someone (me) sees the pattern, makes a post about it, everyone comes in to say it is NOT happening.

As for the "crux" of my post... Cave Dog seems to be the only one with a keen enough sense that this is NOT a "you don't have any good games around here" post. That was a nail, but it wasn't the structure."

I could go on... what do you mean I'm giving you different reasons? All of these posts echo each other.

On a different note, I am unapologetic for my actions. I have always been that way. I see someone overly criticizing someone's work when it isn't warranted... I keep myself in check... and then I lash out. I get bashed for it. No worries.

If I was new to the community, and I saw someone nitpicking a perfectly good custom art for their game... I would be thinking, "Man... if they tore THAT up, I don't even want to show mine... because mine isn't even a fraction of how good THAT one was." And then you get less newbie projects showing up.

You can't possibly tell me that's what you want.