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author=Kylailaauthor=KaliestoI said nothing about why they decided to change it.author=KylailaAccording to the wiki that CERO apparently does not want people using Real Life Figures (and we know they're hypocrites like games called Nobunaga's Ambition, etc).author=KaliestoWell, given they mean the German Führer which Hitler was adressed as likely more often than his actual name, it still makes sense.author=LockeZYeah it was silly censorship over something about him, but it ended up making his character kind of hilarious, it actually worked hahaha.
...Did they actually censor Hitler's presence by giving him sunglasses
I'm not even mad, that's incredible
Oh and they changed his name to Fuhrer..which is a odd choice, this was all due to CERO, and not by the developers in this situation.
On the other hand, I've seen Ubel Blatt use Führer as Anführer (leader was the original meaning for both, or someone who is knowledgable about the area) and it is just this really silly moment where they try to incorporate German words but fall short of their proper use. Since Hitler, Führer itself is associated with him and isn't used by itself anymore, only in compounds (Anführer, Fremdenführer ..).
I just wanted to clear up why it is a fitting substitute, since you seemed to not know its origin and called it an "odd choice".
I understood what you were talking about, but the point I was making it was lazy censorship to not directly put Hitler's name, and put sunglasses on him to..hide his identity since in the original iteration when it came out he didn't have all that. Either way I'm not even that mad what they did, but it just goes to show how silly, and sometimes dumb things have gotten in order to avoid CERO's wrath.
Also the same silly case by removing Trunk's Sword recently, something is wrong with CERO these days, and I'm afraid things are just going to get more moronic as time goes on. I hope one day the gamers supporting these companies will start calling them out if they keep doing dumb decisions. When it comes to PEGI they can be okay sometimes, and the ESRB has really been lenient. I'm afraid CERO on the other hand has lost all common sense, and I think if I'm not mistaken it has to do with their laws, I'm afraid Japan just isn't what they used to be. Yeah they still censored games back then, but it was forgivable to some degree, but they really been taking it a step further.
At the end of the day, I just don't like what is going on. I'm kind of glad Eastern Gaming has died down the past few years, and hopefully it will give the Japanese Companies to see what they have been doing wrong lately, and I hope they understand that gamers outside their country are not these delicate snowflakes, and are not as dumb to not know other cultures (they can learn), this is the damn internet age lol, these kids nowadays know more of the world than ever.
I'm rambling like a old man, this will be the last post on the subject for a long while.
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author=Kylailaauthor=KaliestoWell, given they mean the German Führer which Hitler was adressed as likely more often than his actual name, it still makes sense.author=LockeZYeah it was silly censorship over something about him, but it ended up making his character kind of hilarious, it actually worked hahaha.
...Did they actually censor Hitler's presence by giving him sunglasses
I'm not even mad, that's incredible
Oh and they changed his name to Fuhrer..which is a odd choice, this was all due to CERO, and not by the developers in this situation.
On the other hand, I've seen Ubel Blatt use Führer as Anführer (leader was the original meaning for both, or someone who is knowledgable about the area) and it is just this really silly moment where they try to incorporate German words but fall short of their proper use. Since Hitler, Führer itself is associated with him and isn't used by itself anymore, only in compounds (Anführer, Fremdenführer ..).
According to the wiki that CERO apparently does not want people using Real Life Figures (and we know they're hypocrites like games called Nobunaga's Ambition, etc).
What are you thinking about right now?
author=LockeZ
...Did they actually censor Hitler's presence by giving him sunglasses
I'm not even mad, that's incredible
Yeah it was silly censorship over something about him, but it ended up making his character kind of hilarious, it actually worked hahaha.
Oh and they changed his name to Fuhrer..which is a odd choice, this was all due to CERO, and not by the developers in this situation.
What are you thinking about right now?
I will admit there is games I wouldn't want to see that go to extremes, and aims for controversy, and there has been games like that in the past (rightfully banned too), I don't respect developers that take that route because they knew what they were doing.
What I don't like is when outside influences try to interfere with game development, and if game developers have a moronic bias, it reminds me of that stupidity of that long dead Hitler that was in Persona 2 that he had to be given sun glasses as not to offend...(Sunglasses..that is moronic, but did make his character somewhat more interesting), but the point still stands nonetheless.
There was also that recent controversy of changing the emotional impact of one the characters in Tales of Berseria, I don't blame Namco Bandai for this change because this time it was CERO/ESRB's doing. I'm getting kind of afraid that some people can't handle fantasy vs. reality, and maybe it is because games are getting more detailed than ever before, and now we're paying the price for it.
I will say this, I definitely don't want Xenogears remade for today's audience because their wussy asses wouldn't be able to handle the story too well, Xenosaga unfortunately took a huge hit when the three games came out since well.."those games were more detailed", see where I'm going with this?
I don't like the sacrifices being made just for a wider audience because the wider audience deserve better, and not less. There seriously needs to be international laws made to protect this entertainment medium because is always under attack compared to movies & music.
Edit:
I forgot to mention, but you all should see what the Unreal Game Developers think of all this, they would disagree with what some of you are saying. They only reason why they edit anything at all is because some of the gamers they call "brats" caused the developer to change something just so they can get something released, and the Unreal Developers DO NOT LIKE CENSORSHIP. They're only still doing this for some kind of a market release, but unfortunately these brats decided to screw with them for the lulz.
There is also the case of PlayAsia that really gone on the defensive because what has been going on.
Also someone brought this interesting point -
Vote with your dollars.
But I think voting for less or more censorship is the wrong way to go about considering the matter.
Vote for what seems the best produced, smoothest playing game that has the most compelling story. Things like "how was it altered for my particular localization that I end up playing" should be secondary concerns to is this a good game or not?
Localization is something that a game publisher has control over; they are responsible for what they put out and where, and they aren't thinking "Will this be as true to the developer's vision as I can possibly make it," they are in fact thinking, "In what way can I maximize the audience of the game? How can I get the most people possible to want to play it/tell their friends to play it?"
Unfortunately, this often results in the developer making the logical argument to themselves that "The more people play it, the better, so be really really careful what you allow to be put into the localization," when in fact, I believe the proper way to go about it is this:
Find a balance point between the script being what the writer of the story intended, and maximizing the script's accessibility to a mass audience. You find that balance point, and voila, that's what you should put out.
But this industry is supremely high-pressure. It's almost like working for a banking concern; they run it that tightly, and turnover is, I would imagine, the accepted nature of the business at hand, and has been for a long time, I'll additionally wager (turnover means "Nobody stays long in this industry unless they are kind of personally obsessed with doing so; i.e. people are hired and fired quickly and a lot," just in case yer not up on my jargon).
So, the focus becomes on protecting one's phoney-baloney job, as it were.
To make my case even further -
Trunk's sword was censored, that is some idiocy I ever seen, what a betrayal of a character over a damn sword.
What I don't like is when outside influences try to interfere with game development, and if game developers have a moronic bias, it reminds me of that stupidity of that long dead Hitler that was in Persona 2 that he had to be given sun glasses as not to offend...(Sunglasses..that is moronic, but did make his character somewhat more interesting), but the point still stands nonetheless.
There was also that recent controversy of changing the emotional impact of one the characters in Tales of Berseria, I don't blame Namco Bandai for this change because this time it was CERO/ESRB's doing. I'm getting kind of afraid that some people can't handle fantasy vs. reality, and maybe it is because games are getting more detailed than ever before, and now we're paying the price for it.
I will say this, I definitely don't want Xenogears remade for today's audience because their wussy asses wouldn't be able to handle the story too well, Xenosaga unfortunately took a huge hit when the three games came out since well.."those games were more detailed", see where I'm going with this?
I don't like the sacrifices being made just for a wider audience because the wider audience deserve better, and not less. There seriously needs to be international laws made to protect this entertainment medium because is always under attack compared to movies & music.
Edit:
I forgot to mention, but you all should see what the Unreal Game Developers think of all this, they would disagree with what some of you are saying. They only reason why they edit anything at all is because some of the gamers they call "brats" caused the developer to change something just so they can get something released, and the Unreal Developers DO NOT LIKE CENSORSHIP. They're only still doing this for some kind of a market release, but unfortunately these brats decided to screw with them for the lulz.
There is also the case of PlayAsia that really gone on the defensive because what has been going on.
Also someone brought this interesting point -
Vote with your dollars.
But I think voting for less or more censorship is the wrong way to go about considering the matter.
Vote for what seems the best produced, smoothest playing game that has the most compelling story. Things like "how was it altered for my particular localization that I end up playing" should be secondary concerns to is this a good game or not?
Localization is something that a game publisher has control over; they are responsible for what they put out and where, and they aren't thinking "Will this be as true to the developer's vision as I can possibly make it," they are in fact thinking, "In what way can I maximize the audience of the game? How can I get the most people possible to want to play it/tell their friends to play it?"
Unfortunately, this often results in the developer making the logical argument to themselves that "The more people play it, the better, so be really really careful what you allow to be put into the localization," when in fact, I believe the proper way to go about it is this:
Find a balance point between the script being what the writer of the story intended, and maximizing the script's accessibility to a mass audience. You find that balance point, and voila, that's what you should put out.
But this industry is supremely high-pressure. It's almost like working for a banking concern; they run it that tightly, and turnover is, I would imagine, the accepted nature of the business at hand, and has been for a long time, I'll additionally wager (turnover means "Nobody stays long in this industry unless they are kind of personally obsessed with doing so; i.e. people are hired and fired quickly and a lot," just in case yer not up on my jargon).
So, the focus becomes on protecting one's phoney-baloney job, as it were.
To make my case even further -
Trunk's sword was censored, that is some idiocy I ever seen, what a betrayal of a character over a damn sword.
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author=Red_Nova
http://kotaku.com/the-sex-games-that-steam-censors-1680718912First result on a Google search of "Steam Censorship"
Oh dear.."those games", I'm not touching that with a 10-foot pole. I only care about the artistic & writing integrity, sex is something I'm choosing to stay away from because there is no real answer for that.
I'll be back later on the topic, I got to do some things.
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author=Red_Novaauthor=KaliestoDid you just say Steam doesn't force changes to games on its storefront?author=kentonaFor that I'm thankful like places like RMN/STEAM/etc is not under anyone's thumb telling them what to do, but I think it is shameful our bigger cousins have to take a different route.
...games have never been of higher quality. And with the explosion of indie and hobby devs, you can literally find a game or community devoted to a niche within a niche.
...he posts on a site largely dedicated to the hobbyist creation retro 2D RPGs
From what I understood that it was apparently true that STEAM does not force changes unless even STEAM betrayed itself then no place is safe. Can you show me what they did?
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Sorry for my rant, I'm going to cool off, and comeback to post later.
My point I was trying to make that I don't like the idea everyone is trying to put their 2cents in today's industry, the industry to me now is a joke, and I can see why many of the original developers like Sakaguchi who made FF as a example left that industry when they did, they're not bastions of gaming as far as I'm concerned with the way they're doing things now.
I hope Sakaguchi, Kojima, etc are going to do real well without them.
My point I was trying to make that I don't like the idea everyone is trying to put their 2cents in today's industry, the industry to me now is a joke, and I can see why many of the original developers like Sakaguchi who made FF as a example left that industry when they did, they're not bastions of gaming as far as I'm concerned with the way they're doing things now.
I hope Sakaguchi, Kojima, etc are going to do real well without them.
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author=kentona
...games have never been of higher quality. And with the explosion of indie and hobby devs, you can literally find a game or community devoted to a niche within a niche.
...he posts on a site largely dedicated to the hobbyist creation retro 2D RPGs
For that I'm thankful like places like RMN/STEAM/etc is not under anyone's thumb telling them what to do, but I think it is shameful our bigger cousins have to take a different route.
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author=SgtMettool
Kaliesto, I don't know why you're so aggravated by the idea that developers and localizers want to reach as wide of an audience as possible "for the sake of money". That is exactly what a business is designed to do.
Game cost money to make. Developers need to be paid. There has to be a return on the investment. Because the simple fact of the matter is that if a game bombs because it didn't sell, then that company isn't going to able to make any more games (or they'll just stop localizing games in foreign markets. i.e. Dragon Quest for the longest time.) There is absolutely no conceivable business reason why a company would decide "Let's make it so that this multi-million dollar game is only understood by 10,000 hardcore fans instead of the 500,000 who would potentially buy this."
Economics go into games, whether you want them to or not. And unless you're a self-made hobbyist making games on the weekends, there's not going to be any other way.
Because that is the reason game quality has gone down the tubes ever since the "wider audience" became a thing. I know at the end of the day this is what all companies wanted, but you clearly tell the quality has gone down dramatically or I should say dumbing it down, most gamers are noticing that, and the gamers are quite frankly getting tired of that.
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I don't find the Ace Attorney game to be a good argument because it translates to me that people are too dumb to get other pop cultures, and they should remain ignorant. Companies shouldn't try to tell people they're dumb because their audience is not, this is not the 20th century, things have changed for better or worse.
I get that editing is one of those slippery slopes that can be both good or bad, but I don't believe things have to be changed just so another country's people can understand it, that is just wrong to me. People are not stupid, and should not be treated like they're stupid.
For your example you're taking away a pop-culture that could be introduced to another country, but only to use their pop culture, people should embrace what other country's humor is like.
For me I would get tired of a Jennifer Aniston joke pretty quickly if it was in every damn game for my country.
I get that editing is one of those slippery slopes that can be both good or bad, but I don't believe things have to be changed just so another country's people can understand it, that is just wrong to me. People are not stupid, and should not be treated like they're stupid.
For your example you're taking away a pop-culture that could be introduced to another country, but only to use their pop culture, people should embrace what other country's humor is like.
For me I would get tired of a Jennifer Aniston joke pretty quickly if it was in every damn game for my country.
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