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Content creation (artistic)
Yeah, I agree with Marrend. Actually, I think the brightness on everything on that tachie could be toned down a couple dozen points. Orange might be my favorite color, but that hair might just give me a headache if I stare at it too long ;-) . If you're going for "copper", it needs a bit more brown in it anyway.
Content creation (artistic)
author=Garage
Maybe I was just missled by this term.
That article seems to hint that this behaviour is "unusual" or even "weird" in real life.
... never mind, then.
(The parents of my current cameo are a bit peculiar - but that's only backdrop anyhow.)
Nope, it's definitely a thing. Just keep in mind that it's only about how a person refers to herself. Third-person gender-specific pronouns essentially do not exist in the Japanese language, so one cannot refer to another person as "he"/"him" or "she"/"her".
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Right, that's what I meant by her being predictable :) .
Anyway, I'm going to send you a list of typos soon, but I wanted to post here that I may have a new favorite line in this game:
Anyway, I'm going to send you a list of typos soon, but I wanted to post here that I may have a new favorite line in this game:
When someone else calls while you're on the phone to Mayumi, and then you switch back. "Who was that? May I kill her?" LOL, that was just perfect!
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author=Garage
Debugging that kind of stuff would be hellish anyways. "Try to schedule two events for the same day at the same place and see if one of them get's blocked" ...
Indeed. It's not an easily-repeatable condition, which is why it probably hasn't cropped up outside of extreme situations like I'm finding. Also:
Thinking a little more about it, It's almost impossible to duplicate this with the built-in content besides Chiemi, since none of the girls have their must-do events in the same place otherwise.
Miki: None outside the school
Keika: Gym, Pool, Beach, Club
Tsubasa: Jewelry Store, Station
Shihoko: Stadium, Karaoke, Hot Springs
Riho: Library, Internet Cafe
Akari: Children's Park
Hinami: Fishing, Market Street, Children's Park / Library (depending on how you do her ending sequence)
So really, outside Chiemi, the only possible intersection depends on where choose to search for Hinami when she's missing, but it's not something you can force without the random number gods smiling on you beforehand. Chiemi, at least, is predictable, so you might be able to intersect her with one of the other girls if you're watching closely enough.
Miki: None outside the school
Keika: Gym, Pool, Beach, Club
Tsubasa: Jewelry Store, Station
Shihoko: Stadium, Karaoke, Hot Springs
Riho: Library, Internet Cafe
Akari: Children's Park
Hinami: Fishing, Market Street, Children's Park / Library (depending on how you do her ending sequence)
So really, outside Chiemi, the only possible intersection depends on where choose to search for Hinami when she's missing, but it's not something you can force without the random number gods smiling on you beforehand. Chiemi, at least, is predictable, so you might be able to intersect her with one of the other girls if you're watching closely enough.
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author=Garage
You're sure about the blocking each other events? There's plenty of must-have-events like on most routes so it should've been noticed before.
I thought so at first, but then it kept happening. I only listed three examples, but there were others as well. The three I listed were done to show that there was no specific pattern -- one with custom content overriding built-in, one with built-in overriding custom, and one with custom overriding custom. As far as I know, I haven't had issues with built-in overriding built-in, although
it may have happened with Chiemi. Her events are so rare that I can't be sure whether not getting them is a result of this or not.
author=Marrend
Not necessarily. I don't think any one person has attempted to run all available content concurrently before the OCCD existed, and I think dewelar mentioned this blockage before when it first came out.
I wouldn't be surprised. Proper QC means you do stuff like this on purpose to see what breaks, and it's been a couple years since I did a large-scale playthrough like this. Technically, I didn't have all the content enabled -- just Robin, Winggirl/Pathways, Kitsune, Grace, Yuu and my own Noriko. I generally enable Yuu because she seems particularly good at breaking stuff for some reason.
author=Marrend
Saying that, if this is a bug, I'm not sure where the solution could lie, or how much content Heartache can take before it runs into this issue. I suppose all one can do in this regard until we learn more is not have everything enabled via the content manager within Heartache itself, or manually remove content from the appropriate directories to elsewhere?
That's pretty much all we can do, I think, barring a return visit from flowerthief. Maybe we could put some kind of warning up?
Also...the situation with 3eeweb seems to have gotten worse. When I try the link, I now get a message saying the server DNS address could not be found.
author=Garage
I did run OCCD with all available content enable at least twice ... but it's near impossible to keep track (at least for my little brain). There's just too many girls ... on one of those playthorughs Miki's INTRO didn't appear before day 40 or something.
Thus: if you really enable ANY and EVERY content you'll need at least some luck to get anywhere with any of them.
That's what 151 mode is for :D !
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author=Garage
I think you should PM me any list of typos since I made sooooo many of them that it would blow this board to pieces ;)
*laughs* Very well! From now on, I'll send you what I've got periodically.
she was ./. she were ... hmm 'thought both were possible in real world conversations (even if "she were" is - of course - technically wrong here).
True, "she were" is possible in certain rare circumstances... just not this one ;) .
One last thing I'll put here, though, just because it might only be me that is bothered by it, is "Cya". I've seen it in a couple other people's content, and it always gets my jimmies rustled because in my head I hear "Kya", which in Japan is kind of like a girl "squeeing" (i.e., a girly expression of excitement). Maybe it should be "C-ya" (well, really "see ya", but I'm not here to bash text-speak)?
*EDIT* One LAST last thing, and this is something I'm surprised I've never noticed before -- someone else may have, so forgive me if this is old news. In my case, I'm noticing it more because I've got a whole batch of custom content turned on with Clean Mode off.
This is a problem with the game itself, and since there are never going to be any more updates it's more for the sake of information. I've noticed that if you are in position to have two imperative events in the queue at the same location, when you trigger one of them the other one gets flushed and will never be triggered. Here are a couple of examples:
1) There's a story toward the beginning of Keika's route where you meet her at the gym. For me, this was still pending when
I went with Robin to the gym after one of our meetings at the Internet Cafe
2) Toward the end of Yuu's route, there's a scene where you meet her in the Children's Park that is necessary to get her ending. On the same day that got set up, I also triggered an event for Akari at the same location. When I went there, the game showed the second one, and despite going back to the park 5-6 times after that never got the Yuu scene.
3) In the same playthrough as (2), there's a scene with Yuu
where you meet her at the Shrine to play games. I had that in the queue for several days in-game when a scene popped up with Kitsune where I needed to go to the Shrine to meet her. When I did, I met Yuu instead, and after that I never saw Kitsune again
Not sure what we can do about this -- the more custom content that gets developed, the more this kind of thing is going to happen -- but I thought I'd let everyone know about it.
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author=Garageauthor=dewelarGreat that you like her ;)
I am working on playing through the recent finished content. I've been through a good chunk of Kitsune's stories, and I very much like the concept and the execution (and LOVE the character design), although admittedly it feels a bit out of place in this setting.
Well, she's supposed to feel out of place somehow ...
Did I overdid it?
Ehhhh, that's hard to say. I tend to be the type of player who prefers to be able to immerse myself in the game world, and Kitsune is a spanner in those works. However, since she is designed to be a spanner, it all depends on whether or not you want a spanner. If you do, I think she works quite well. It's just...i'm not your target audience, I think.
author=Garageauthor=dewelarHmm. Does she really give him to much help? Where exactly - or are you just talking about the stat boost?
Having now played through a fair amount of the original Winggirl material, I found myself being a little surprised at just how much help Himeko gives <player>. Maybe that could be dialed back slightly?
She's sipposed to be helpful sinceyou have to invest quite some time in her and she isn't a real option for winning the bet.
Right. I think it's just when you take all of her help together it might ruin a bit of the fun of the player finding these things out on his own. I haven't played all the content yet, but
are there any girls about whom she knows absolutely nothing? That might balance the scales a bit, and add another dimension to her. I'd suggest Akari might be a good choice for this.
author=Garage
Hint for Pathways:if you don't like Himeko's help just tell her to leave him alone. He'll meet her cute (but initially angry) cousin then. And if he fails the twins' "game" instead, Himeko will still be there for him, but much less of a help.
Yep, that's what I'm doing on my current playthrough :) .
By the way, as I always do when playing new content, I am keeping a list of typos and other errors that I spot. I can post them here, or PM you with them if you prefer. For now, this is what I have:
KITSUNE
STORY 1602
A: Decide to check out anyway.
- should be -
A: Decide to check it out anyway.
WINGGIRL
STORY 7082
"What do you think of her."
- should be -
"What do you think of her?"
STORY 7611
"She gives me I shy little smile."
- should be -
"She gives me a shy little smile."
STORY 7001
"Sorry, we've to leave for class."
- should be -
"Sorry, we've got to leave for class."
STORY 7700
BRANCH A
"I don't like that she's is trying to get an unfair advantage ..."
- should be -
"I don't like that she's trying to get an unfair advantage ..."
STORY 7702
BRANCH B
"I don't you well enough to trust you with my future."
- should be -
"I don't know you well enough to trust you with my future."
STORY 7900
"What do you think of them."
- should be -
"What do you think of them?"
"... and than I'll have to find out which of them is the "right one"."
- should be -
"... and then I'll have to find out which of them is the "right one"."
PATHWAYS
HIBIKO
STORY 9900
"Nevermind."
- should be -
"Never mind."
(I think I've seen this in a couple of other spots as well.)
---
"And before you've to ask another obvious question ..."
- should be -
"And before you ask another obvious question ..."
(or better yet)
"And before you feel the need to ask another obvious question ..."
---
"Well, I didn't quite get what she were ... up to."
- should be -
"Well, I didn't quite get what she was ... up to."
STORY 1602
A: Decide to check out anyway.
- should be -
A: Decide to check it out anyway.
WINGGIRL
STORY 7082
"What do you think of her."
- should be -
"What do you think of her?"
STORY 7611
"She gives me I shy little smile."
- should be -
"She gives me a shy little smile."
STORY 7001
"Sorry, we've to leave for class."
- should be -
"Sorry, we've got to leave for class."
STORY 7700
BRANCH A
"I don't like that she's is trying to get an unfair advantage ..."
- should be -
"I don't like that she's trying to get an unfair advantage ..."
STORY 7702
BRANCH B
"I don't you well enough to trust you with my future."
- should be -
"I don't know you well enough to trust you with my future."
STORY 7900
"What do you think of them."
- should be -
"What do you think of them?"
"... and than I'll have to find out which of them is the "right one"."
- should be -
"... and then I'll have to find out which of them is the "right one"."
PATHWAYS
HIBIKO
STORY 9900
"Nevermind."
- should be -
"Never mind."
(I think I've seen this in a couple of other spots as well.)
---
"And before you've to ask another obvious question ..."
- should be -
"And before you ask another obvious question ..."
(or better yet)
"And before you feel the need to ask another obvious question ..."
---
"Well, I didn't quite get what she were ... up to."
- should be -
"Well, I didn't quite get what she was ... up to."
author=Garage
And I'd like to hear what you think about the generator, too.
I will have a report ready once I've downloaded and played with it!
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Greetings, everyone. Apologies for my extended absence, but I've been catching up with the boards over the past few days and am very happy to see that this game still lives! I am working on playing through the recent finished content. I've been through a good chunk of Kitsune's stories, and I very much like the concept and the execution (and LOVE the character design), although admittedly it feels a bit out of place in this setting. Just barely getting started with the Winggirl Pathways addition (I've only seen a few stories of Shika's so far) as well as Grace (and intending to revisit Robin as well), but both are intriguing. Having now played through a fair amount of the original Winggirl material, I found myself being a little surprised at just how much help Himeko gives <player>. Maybe that could be dialed back slightly?
Also, I'm considering doing an update to Noriko to add a few stories, and may even dust off Takako if and when I get a chance to play with the new tachie generator. No promises, though...
Also, I'm considering doing an update to Noriko to add a few stories, and may even dust off Takako if and when I get a chance to play with the new tachie generator. No promises, though...
Content creation (technical)
author=Garageauthor=dewelarMaybe I'm reading to many English fantasy novels. ;)
Huh. I have literally never heard anyone say that. Then again, it is marked as being a "dated term", so perhaps it's something people used to say?
I read it somewhere sometime ago. It sounded weird enough to remember.
*Edit*: ... Do you know a better way to say "Excuse me, Miss, you seem to know my name, but I don't know yours, so why don't you just fix this?"
As I mentioned above, the way I've typically heard it phrased is "You have me at a disadvantage." However, one fairly straightforward way to do it would be to have Kazuhiko say, "I'm sorry, should I know you?"
I have downloaded the partial update, so there should be no more correcting of things already corrected. Next up is STORY 7702:
Not about what <b>you</b> have to gain of it.
- "gain from it"
I don't know you good enough to reveal all my secrets to you just yet.
- technically should be "know you well enough" but I hear it often enough this way that it could stand like this
it's your decision, of course. But I think you're making a mistake.
- Missed capital letter at the beginning
To bad. But I have to accept your choice.
- "Too bad". You do like this one, it seems :) .
Content creation (technical)
author=Garage
Regarding "in advantage of me": I could've sworn this to be the correct grammar, maybe a bit dated though. Oops. According to wikipedia it should have been "you have the advantage of me"
Huh. I have literally never heard anyone say that. Then again, it is marked as being a "dated term", so perhaps it's something people used to say?
author=Garage
Vote request:
"Anyway ... you wanted a ballad - this is one of my favorites."
Dash, comma or colon between ballad and this?
Marrend's right that, in colloquial speech, a question mark might be appropriate. A dash would be more likely than a comma, but definitely not a colon -- a semicolon, perhaps, but not a colon.
author=Garage
Talking about "I'm a 2nd year" and stuff ...
I don't want to write "2nd year" in every other sentence of this conversation.
A better alternative would be "juniors", because "2nd-graders" to an English speaker would be interpreted as second grade in elementary school, so a seven- or eight-year-old.
ETA:
author=Marrend
I sincerely doubt you can use something like "He's offering to help us Sophomores with math and geography" as a cross-reference to students in their 2nd year.
Remember that Japanese high schools only cover three years, which are typically approximated in English as freshman-junior-senior.
author=Garage
And another thing about contractions: does really anybody use "what're" instead of "what are"? If I would do anything to "What are you " it would be "Whatcha "
Hmm ... contracting "who are" to "who're" is a bit unfortunate, ain't it?
*nods* I would agree with all of this :) .
author=Garage
This is just a temporary release, if some bug hunter (nods @dewelar) want's to debug the current files and not those released a month or so ago.
Noted :) . I know you changed some things in 7701, but here's a couple other things I noticed:
That's besides the point.
- beside the point
And you seem to be not be quite "my type".
- One too many "be"s :) . You can remove either one and it would still work.
Especially as I am not interested in you for myself - so I won't sabotage your efforts regarding other girls.
- This dash should definitely be a comma :D .
Another global observation: I'm wondering if perhaps "wing girl" should be hyphenated (i.e., "wing-girl"). Instinct tells me it should, but I can be convinced otherwise :).
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