SOOO... GAMERGATE

author=Kel
But, you really have to ask yourself this question if you want to get at the heart of this whole movement:
Why are a large group of people raging on about it now when the deep level corruption has been apparent and out in the open for years?

People here bringing up those journalists aren't doing so because their reviews are biased (people can't help being at least a little biased), it's because gaming journalists are getting paid off by developers/publishers to give their games preferential treatment. This was fairly old news to some in AAA circles, but this whole scandal unearthed just how bad it is in indie game circles too.

author=Liberty
Also, GG in it's current form needs to die for any of this to be considered properly by gamers as a whole because the controversy and way in which the whole shebang began makes the whole discussion null and void. "Nothing ever smells of roses that rises up from mud."

author=Zeigfried_McBacon
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.-Einstein

author=EdgeOfChaos

author=Zeigfried_McBacon
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.-Einstein

What does that have to do with what they just stated, or the thread?

author=TehGuy
And here I thought this'd be the one place next to my facebook where I'd never have to see this thing..

>mainly cause I get overloaded by all the shite about it on fullchan

All I know is that I'm apparently dead to quite a few publications

author=Pizza
Seriously though it's fucking gross that barely anybody bothered to call her out about saying that. Like, extremely offensive. It makes me feel like all of my beliefs about gender equality are fucking pointless in the end.

author=slashphoenix

author=Pizza
Seriously though it's fucking gross that barely anybody bothered to call her out about saying that. Like, extremely offensive. It makes me feel like all of my beliefs about gender equality are fucking pointless in the end.

Pizza, I interpreted what Anita said as "because of the way we as a society treat and raise boys, and the pressures and ideas we force upon them, it is not surprising that we see these sorts of violent incidents". And I pretty much agree with that statement. I had the same thoughts immediately after that shooting where the kid blamed his life's problems on men being better than him and women rejecting him.

We raise guys to be hypercompetitive, to "win" at life. To succeed in life, as a man, you must score the most money, the most reputation, the most sex, as if our survival still depended on things like this. I remember being taught these things growing up and I know guys now who are over 30 and still think having sex is some sort of grand achievement. So when you fail at these things, you start to believe you're worthless and powerless... maybe you'd want to prove that you're not powerless at any cost.

I may have read this differently than others, but Anita's not blaming boys for this, she's blaming the shitty culture we instill into them. It's a culture that's been propagated by both men and women for a long time and it sucks and it harms a lot of people.

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For what it's worth, I think all you can do is do your best as a person is fight toward making the world better. The world is ever so slightly improving and growing every day, even if it often doesn't feel like it.

author=slashphoenix
For what it's worth, I think all you can do is do your best as a person is fight toward making the world better. The world is ever so slightly improving and growing every day, even if it often doesn't feel like it.

author=Jude
This thread is already larger than I care to read so I might be covering old territory.

Gaming journalism is a silly and untrustworthy industry, but I find it interesting that it took a relatively minor ethics violation to springboard the entire campaign. I say relatively minor because while it was a poor choice, it didn't result in any significant or meaningful conflict. It's the sort of mistake a journalist can easily get sucked into when you end up so close to the subject matter you're supposed to be covering. It's a problem that springs up every in every industry, but it's on an individual-to-individual basis, rather than being some pervasive problem where every single journalist is boning developers and producers left and right and putting up 10/10 reviews all over the place.

When I say it's interesting, what I'm insinuating is that a sizable, extremely vocal portion of the campaign is probably just using it as an excuse to be angry at and harass feminists. Because feminism... totally related to unethical journalism, right? Bayonetta reviews and Anita Sarkeesian have basically jack shit to do with it but seem to be the focal point of all the recent action.

It just seems very, very silly to complain about a handful of interpersonal conflicts of interest when an entire field of journalism is basically bought and paid for by the companies they're supposed to be providing unbiased coverage of. Gigantic Assassin's Creed advert stretching across the entire screen with a glowing review right below it. Paid-for review copies of games, invites to fancypants hotels to play and review a game under supervision, inflated review scores across-the-board to avoid upsetting the advertisers that keep their magazines/websites afloat, non-disclosure agreements to keep journalists in their favor, etc, etc. The only pervasive, systemic ethics problem facing gaming journalism is where the money comes from, and it almost never gets talked about except to make jokes about Geoff "Doritos Pope" Keighley... certainly never a massive, uproarious Twitter campaign that attracts attention from major media.