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LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
LockeZ
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Closeauthor=TrihanI will point out that this is not actually true. See rule 103. You do need a unanimous vote for this.
203 doesn't count because you're not amending an existing rule; you're proposing a new rule that happens to clarify one of the other ones. You only need majority.
103. A rule-change is any of the following: (1) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of a mutable rule; (2) the enactment, repeal, or amendment of an amendment of a mutable rule; or (3) the transmutation of an immutable rule into a mutable rule or vice versa.
203. A rule-change is adopted if and only if the vote is unanimous among the eligible voters. If this rule is not amended by the end of the second complete circuit of turns, it automatically changes to require only a simple majority.
Ah, you're right. Oh well, guess that proposal fails then!
Doc Ock loses 10 points, and it's LockeZ's turn.
Doc Ock loses 10 points, and it's LockeZ's turn.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Well, that took forever. Let's speed things up. And also increase the likelihood of getting weirder rules adopted, which makes the game way more fun.
302. Ammendment to rule 203. A rule-change is adopted if at least two eligible voters vote in favor of it.
302. Ammendment to rule 203. A rule-change is adopted if at least two eligible voters vote in favor of it.
TangledLion
618
It's not up for voting yet as far as I can tell...
Though it seems it would make things more fun and chaotic, it is not specific enough, Does this Work for transmuting, repealing, even New rules, or is it just for amending.
Also 2 votes is a little OP IMO, I think 3 is more appropriate.
Though it seems it would make things more fun and chaotic, it is not specific enough, Does this Work for transmuting, repealing, even New rules, or is it just for amending.
Also 2 votes is a little OP IMO, I think 3 is more appropriate.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
...I am using the exact same language as the original rule I'm amending, and it is extremely specific. A rule-change is well-defined in rule 103 to include all of the above, as I pointed out in my last post immediately above the proposal.
Guys. Seriously. One of you starts voting before the proposal is up for voting, and the other one doesn't know what a rule-change is. These are both things that just came up in the previous turn.
Guys. Seriously. One of you starts voting before the proposal is up for voting, and the other one doesn't know what a rule-change is. These are both things that just came up in the previous turn.
meustrus
30
Well LockeZ I for one have figured out what defines a rule-change. Everything is (probably) already defined in the rules.
Your rule-change seems like it could easily make the game more fun. However I fear it will make it too easy to manipulate other players toward your own victory. Based on rules 105, 203, and 207, it seems that the person proposing the rule-change also gets a vote. That would mean that if only 2 votes were required, that person would only need to convince one other voter. Further, the rule for when a round of voting is over (205) would become immediately ambiguous. Is voting complete after enough yay votes? Or after all voters have voted (or not been heard from for 72 hours)? Can a person change his or her vote after it is entered? These questions are not necessarily ambiguities in your rule change, but your rule change makes them immediately more relevant.
Therefore I suggest two changes:
1. Rather than merely 2 eligible voters being required, make it 3.
2. Additionally define that a rule-change may only be adopted after all eligible voters have made their final vote.
Your rule-change seems like it could easily make the game more fun. However I fear it will make it too easy to manipulate other players toward your own victory. Based on rules 105, 203, and 207, it seems that the person proposing the rule-change also gets a vote. That would mean that if only 2 votes were required, that person would only need to convince one other voter. Further, the rule for when a round of voting is over (205) would become immediately ambiguous. Is voting complete after enough yay votes? Or after all voters have voted (or not been heard from for 72 hours)? Can a person change his or her vote after it is entered? These questions are not necessarily ambiguities in your rule change, but your rule change makes them immediately more relevant.
Therefore I suggest two changes:
1. Rather than merely 2 eligible voters being required, make it 3.
2. Additionally define that a rule-change may only be adopted after all eligible voters have made their final vote.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Point 2 is a good call. It's not super ambiguous since the points depend on how many people vote yay or nay, but spelling it out keeps people from using it as a loophole somehow.
302. Ammendment to rule 203. A rule-change is adopted if at least three eligible voters vote in favor of it during the voting period. The voting period for a rule-change ends when all eligible voters have made their final vote.
Voting period begins now.
302. Ammendment to rule 203. A rule-change is adopted if at least three eligible voters vote in favor of it during the voting period. The voting period for a rule-change ends when all eligible voters have made their final vote.
Voting period begins now.
Just to make sure everyone's on the same page as me here, am I right in thinking this is how the points went for round 1?
1. DrOctopus gains 5 points (the proposal got 3 yea votes out of 6 players; meustrus didn't vote so is automatically considered a nay. 301 - 291 = 10, 3/6 = 0.5, 10 * 0.5 = 5)
2. DrOctopus loses 10 points for the proposal failing
3. DrOctopus now has -5 points
1. DrOctopus gains 5 points (the proposal got 3 yea votes out of 6 players; meustrus didn't vote so is automatically considered a nay. 301 - 291 = 10, 3/6 = 0.5, 10 * 0.5 = 5)
2. DrOctopus loses 10 points for the proposal failing
3. DrOctopus now has -5 points
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Sounds right, Trihan.
I vote yea.
I vote yea.
meustrus
30
OK, so I will only need 3 votes to pass this. Here is what I am thinking:
303. Should a rule-change result in the proposing player winning the game, either by points (assuming the maximum points able to be gained), the game being unable to continue, or any other method, the proposing player must say "Nomic" when putting the rule-change up to a vote. Should the proposing player fail to do so, his or her turn will end immediately and the rule-change will not be adopted.
...if that is too many words I am open to suggestions for making it simpler.
303. Should a rule-change result in the proposing player winning the game, either by points (assuming the maximum points able to be gained), the game being unable to continue, or any other method, the proposing player must say "Nomic" when putting the rule-change up to a vote. Should the proposing player fail to do so, his or her turn will end immediately and the rule-change will not be adopted.
...if that is too many words I am open to suggestions for making it simpler.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
So we're playing Uno now? Heh.
You probably want "include the word" rather than "say"
You probably want "include the word" rather than "say"
TangledLion
618
author=LockeZ
So we're playing Uno now? Heh.
You probably want "include the word" rather than "say"
Very true, someone could potentially claim they said it even though it was not typed. XD
