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Means I don't have to keep track of how many mutable rules we have and make sure we don't go over 25. Win-win for me.
Not sure how I feel about this one. I'll have to think about it. I don't mind the restriction, but I don't know yet if I would like being without it.
Shinan
4314
Oh yeah I was supposed to put it up for vote too.
So vote on it.
Proposal 304: Repeal rule 209
So vote on it.
Proposal 304: Repeal rule 209
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Nay!
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I call for a judge, as I don't believe that voting against your own proposal should be possible, and I believe Shinan's move to be illegal.
The judge in this case would be meustrus.
(Please keep in mind that future judges are not bound by the decisions of past judges - your ruling only applies to this turn.)
The judge in this case would be meustrus.
(Please keep in mind that future judges are not bound by the decisions of past judges - your ruling only applies to this turn.)
116. Whatever is not prohibited or regulated by a rule is permitted and unregulated, with the sole exception of changing the rules, which is permitted only when a rule or set of rules explicitly or implicitly permits it.
There is no rule stating that you can't vote against your own proposals, so I argue that 116 supports Shinan's actions and he's done nothing illegal. While I find it surprising, if he really wants to waste his turn and lose 10 points there's nothing currently stopping him.
There is no rule stating that you can't vote against your own proposals, so I argue that 116 supports Shinan's actions and he's done nothing illegal. While I find it surprising, if he really wants to waste his turn and lose 10 points there's nothing currently stopping him.
Shinan
4314
I voted nay so that LockeZ wouldn't get his free points for voting against a winning proposal :D
meustrus
30
NOTE: I edited this post. I was hoping to do it quickly enough that nobody would notice. But since Trihan did, I am restoring the original post (as I can remember) AND keeping the later version.
Version 1:
Although I would like to rule that he can't vote against his own proposal, I don't believe he can't. So unless LockeZ has a specific rule-based argument to make, I'm going to rule that he can.
I will advise Shinan, though, that if he votes nay he will lose 10 points, while voting yay will gain 7 points (13 * 50% = 6.5, which I believe will round up to 7).
Version 2:
After consulting the rules, I have decided that Shinan may not vote against his own proposal.
LockeZ, you have a dangerously tricky mind.
Version 1:
Although I would like to rule that he can't vote against his own proposal, I don't believe he can't. So unless LockeZ has a specific rule-based argument to make, I'm going to rule that he can.
I will advise Shinan, though, that if he votes nay he will lose 10 points, while voting yay will gain 7 points (13 * 50% = 6.5, which I believe will round up to 7).
Version 2:
After consulting the rules, I have decided that Shinan may not vote against his own proposal.
LockeZ, you have a dangerously tricky mind.
Please don't edit your posts meustrus; game threads are the one place double posting is allowed. :P
Could you please explain which rule you're basing your decision on?
Could you please explain which rule you're basing your decision on?
I was sort of waiting for someone to do this. I'm on boat with Trihan for now though. We have no provision saying that the person proposing the rule must vote in favor of the rule, unless one can be bent that way.
And we have a fun situation now. Meustrus, by rule 211, has to pass a judgment before we can continue to TL's turn. So technically, meustrus can rule that Shinan is obliged to vote in favor, passing the rule by 302, then vote against it to gain points by 204 since we are still in the voting period, validating his Judgment via 116 (which Shinan can also use to validate the nay).
If meustrus isn't completely opposed by us, then that flies. But if he does that then we can still object against that since we could argue he is going against rule 207 by coercing Shinan's vote, in effect taking 2 votes this turn instead of one.
LockeZ may have another objection on the grounds of rule 207 too, since through the course of this game we have all (well at least me) taken more than our alotted one vote.
And we have a fun situation now. Meustrus, by rule 211, has to pass a judgment before we can continue to TL's turn. So technically, meustrus can rule that Shinan is obliged to vote in favor, passing the rule by 302, then vote against it to gain points by 204 since we are still in the voting period, validating his Judgment via 116 (which Shinan can also use to validate the nay).
If meustrus isn't completely opposed by us, then that flies. But if he does that then we can still object against that since we could argue he is going against rule 207 by coercing Shinan's vote, in effect taking 2 votes this turn instead of one.
LockeZ may have another objection on the grounds of rule 207 too, since through the course of this game we have all (well at least me) taken more than our alotted one vote.
meustrus
30
Oh rats, I guess somebody -did- see what I posted before I reconsidered and edited it. Um...Trihan, you being game master and apparently one who saw my original post, do you think I should restore the post and go from there? Or is it enough that what I wrote before isn't there anymore?
