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author=kentona
I have a hideabed in the basement. Sleeps 2.
Really sounding like an attractive offer right about now.
Red_Nova
Sir Redd of Novus: He who made Prayer of the Faithless that one time, and that was pretty dang rad! :D
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author=kentona
I have a hideabed in the basement. Sleeps 2.
I call top bunk!
Housekeeping
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At least now I can see the gaudy horror of a Trump presidency instead of just imagining it in my nightmares.
Avee
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author=kory_toombs
Who is going to rep the democrats against him 4 years from now?
Kanye West.
author=Aveeauthor=kory_toombsKanye West.
Who is going to rep the democrats against him 4 years from now?
Great Kanye-sama, I am at your command...
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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author=Blindmind
Yeah dude, I woke up in absolute disgust and revulsion. Trump makes a mockery of even the very idea of a "President" and I will never accept the results or call him our leader. I consider myself lucky to live in a liberal city that will never bend fully to his agenda...but there are millions out there who will undoubtedly suffer. We have to stand in solidarity with them.
Funnily, I thought I would be one of those arrogant people who would boast "See?! If only you'd chosen Bernie! The DNC dug it's own grave," etc...because I honestly never liked Clinton. I downright loathed her. But yesterday, I made the impossible choice to vote Democrat...and I hoped everyone with my same doubts might do the same. My vote wasn't for my own ideals, but for the greater good (lol). It's not anger in my heart anymore, but just pure sadness. Everyone with an open heart needs to stand together in the US, or something seriously sinister will come from this election.
Jesus Christ, get a grip. It's not that big a deal. Getting the president you don't like isn't great, but it's not worse than, like, stubbing your toe.
author=LockeZI ever-so-slightly agree with you in that Donald Trump as President alone isn't the biggest issue, as the USA isn't a dictatorship. The real problem, IMO, is what the result of this vote signifies. The majority of the USA are either apathetic to or outright support a bigot, and to people from non-white backgrounds like myself that's pretty scary.
Jesus Christ, get a grip. It's not that big a deal. Getting the president you don't like isn't great, but it's not worse than, like, stubbing your toe.
I've been thinking about moving to the US because of its massive tech industry, but I don't think I'd be welcome there at this point.
There is a lesson to be learned from this. An honest lesson for life as well.
Resting on your laurels, living in a bubble, these things hold you back. In this case, it was "we are right and everyone who disagrees with us is a racist." Well... come on. You know it's not just that. Humans are complex, politics is complex.
I encourage Democrats to open their eyes to what actually went wrong, rather than "well this country just has too many racists in it." You're not going to learn anything from that. You wouldn't say that for personal failures would you? If you didn't get that promotion, would you just pout and blame everyone else for being stupid? Not if you plan on ever being successful.
Resting on your laurels, living in a bubble, these things hold you back. In this case, it was "we are right and everyone who disagrees with us is a racist." Well... come on. You know it's not just that. Humans are complex, politics is complex.
I encourage Democrats to open their eyes to what actually went wrong, rather than "well this country just has too many racists in it." You're not going to learn anything from that. You wouldn't say that for personal failures would you? If you didn't get that promotion, would you just pout and blame everyone else for being stupid? Not if you plan on ever being successful.
author=LockeZauthor=BlindmindJesus Christ, get a grip. It's not that big a deal. Getting the president you don't like isn't great, but it's not worse than, like, stubbing your toe.
Yeah dude, I woke up in absolute disgust and revulsion. Trump makes a mockery of even the very idea of a "President" and I will never accept the results or call him our leader. I consider myself lucky to live in a liberal city that will never bend fully to his agenda...but there are millions out there who will undoubtedly suffer. We have to stand in solidarity with them.
Funnily, I thought I would be one of those arrogant people who would boast "See?! If only you'd chosen Bernie! The DNC dug it's own grave," etc...because I honestly never liked Clinton. I downright loathed her. But yesterday, I made the impossible choice to vote Democrat...and I hoped everyone with my same doubts might do the same. My vote wasn't for my own ideals, but for the greater good (lol). It's not anger in my heart anymore, but just pure sadness. Everyone with an open heart needs to stand together in the US, or something seriously sinister will come from this election.
While bm's emotional rant might be over-the-top, saying this election's outcome is no big deal is a heavy understatement. Respectfully gotta disagree.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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author=Yellow MagicIt's okay to have a leader with human faults. You're supposed to vote for political candidates based on their policies, not their personal lives. He wouldn't have been my choice for president either but I don't think voting for or against him says anything about the voters except for their stance on whichever policy they think is most important.
The real problem, IMO, is what the result of this vote signifies. The majority of the USA are either apathetic to or outright support a bigot, and to people from non-white backgrounds like myself that's pretty scary.
For example, my dad voted for Trump purely because of Clinton's stance on partial birth abortions, which to him is more important than all other issues combined. I think this kind of reason for voting for one candidate is extremely typical - you care a lot about one issue, and you agree with one candidate's stance on that issue, so you vote for them. The people who primarily care about the tabloid stuff don't vote in the first place.
This is the culmination of earnest neoliberal efforts started 30+ some years ago that syphoned wealth and influence from the middle and lower class, promoted austerity as a method of growth, and what we are witnessing is a nativist populist backlash (Trump and Brexit and Canada's Conservative party and their ilk across western democracies). This brand of fascism, which seeks to exploit the masses and acts in the interests in the extreme plutocrats, presents itself in the guise of a champion of an ill-treated nation, and appeals to simmering resentment/discontent and fear of the "Other". And Clinton's entire schtick came across as more of the same failed neoliberal policies, so I can understand from that perspective why she wasn't appealing. Statements like "we just didn't explain well enough WHY this such-and-such neoliberal/freetrade policy is good for them" is just a slap in the face to the blue collar factory worker who is facing rising costs and lower job security. So a fascist like Trump and a socialist like Bernie looked damn good in comparison.
That being said, Trump the cruel, ill-tempered, ill-informed, impetuous man-child is a terrible choice. But it's not even him I'm most concerned about. For me, it's Pence - that guy and his views are fucking terrifying, and it will be because of him that all of the progressive social good that had been done over the past decade or so will be undone. Mark my words.
Thus, as shitty as it seems, Clinton was the better choice. The heavy lean to the left that Bernie extracted from her was a step in the right direction, and 4 more years of more-of-the-same is still better than giving a demagogue like Trump any power.
Welcome to the United Hates of America.
That being said, Trump the cruel, ill-tempered, ill-informed, impetuous man-child is a terrible choice. But it's not even him I'm most concerned about. For me, it's Pence - that guy and his views are fucking terrifying, and it will be because of him that all of the progressive social good that had been done over the past decade or so will be undone. Mark my words.
Thus, as shitty as it seems, Clinton was the better choice. The heavy lean to the left that Bernie extracted from her was a step in the right direction, and 4 more years of more-of-the-same is still better than giving a demagogue like Trump any power.
Welcome to the United Hates of America.
author=LockeZ
It's okay to have a leader with human faults. You're supposed to vote for political candidates based on their policies, not their personal lives. He wouldn't have been my choice for president either but I don't think voting for or against him says anything about the voters except for their stance on whichever policy they think is most important.
For example, my dad voted for Trump purely because of Clinton's stance on partial birth abortions, which to him is more important than all other issues combined. I think this kind of reason for voting for one candidate is extremely typical - you care a lot about one issue, and you agree with one candidate's stance on that issue, so you vote for them. The people who primarily care about the tabloid stuff don't vote in the first place.
Gotta disagree with you there. I wish more people voted based on policy, but a ton of people - my parents included - voted based on personality, or something nebulous like "trustworthiness". Clinton was "untrustworthy, a liar" while Trump was "honest". When I asked them, my mom and my dad were fairly uninformed on either's policies outside of Trump's views on immigration. They mostly talked about the e-mails.
And while I'm not going to pretend like our leaders won't have human faults, at least Hillary wasn't outright bragging about her more bigoted tendencies. Trump was often lauded for his.
