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[MAFIA] - SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI {GAME OVER}
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Kloe
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CloseOh wow! Now that's a cool power!
So at the very least, if LockeZ goes scum, we can assume neither Frogge or Red are not alao Mafia.
So at the very least, if LockeZ goes scum, we can assume neither Frogge or Red are not alao Mafia.
Zeuzio
3787
author=Yellow Magic
A bit meta but I don't think it's possible for a game managed by CAVE_DOG of all people to have six different alignments. At least one person has to be lying.
I disagree. CAVE seems the most likely person to make a game super complicated. Also, this is still assuming this is a traditional mafia game.
author=Kloe
Don't we still have like 36 hoyrs of dayphase left?
Maybe we wont need to no lynch if we can figure out someone is lying.
It's about 12 hours now, I think. It'd be nice to pinpoint a liar but as far as I can tell we don't have enough information yet to really pinpoint any lies. It also doesn't help that about half of us aren't talking much.
author=Frogge
Interestingly enough, it seems I'm none of these, or I didn't read carefully enough. I'm a renegade cop, and I win if chaos, neutral or humilty alignments achieve the majority of wins, and lose if law charity and patience achieve the most win conditions.
Oh crap, so all six alignments are mentioned in one post. There's very little version for Frogge to lie at this point, so....wtf CAVE_DOG
author=Kloe
Hmmm... 6 days... well, 5 lynches and 5 night kills leaves us at lylo anyway.
Is there anything else in SMT that could give us a hint? Maybe something with the alignment names and possible faction names?
I have to admit I've never heard of humility, chaos, patience or charity alignments before...Looking at how Frogge's PM divides the six alignments, I wonder if Neutral and Humility are aligned with Chaos, and Patience and Clarity aligned with Law.
demonlord5000
680
So let's see here. Chaos and humility seem to be allied, law and charity seem to be allied, neutral I would assume to be neutral, but because of frogges win condition it seems to have some tie to chaos, and then patience is an unknown factor.
It seems we should be targeting chaos and humility. I'm torn about lynching frogge right now. On one hand, he has a win condition tied to chaos, making it likely he is chaos, humility, or neutral aligned. On the other hand, he is being super helpful, so taking him out right now seems like a waste.
I really don't want to vote nolynch either knowing about the time limit, but I don't know who to target. If it comes down to it I'd say one of the people who aren't contributing much.
It seems we should be targeting chaos and humility. I'm torn about lynching frogge right now. On one hand, he has a win condition tied to chaos, making it likely he is chaos, humility, or neutral aligned. On the other hand, he is being super helpful, so taking him out right now seems like a waste.
I really don't want to vote nolynch either knowing about the time limit, but I don't know who to target. If it comes down to it I'd say one of the people who aren't contributing much.
Oh hey, I guess one thing I'm interested in is that LockeZ said there are at least four factions, while Frogge clearly pointed out six.
I find it strange that LockeZ would only mention four out of the six....
I find it strange that LockeZ would only mention four out of the six....
demonlord5000
680
I don't find that suspicious myself. He said at least four factions, which means he probably just didn't know about the other two. In fact I listed four myself, without knowing about neutral or patience. This is a game about sharing information, so I wouldn't lynch based off just that.
Zeuzio
3787
author=Yellow Magic
Oh hey, I guess one thing I'm interested in is that LockeZ said there are at least four factions, while Frogge clearly pointed out six.
I find it strange that LockeZ would only mention four out of the six....
My guess is that he's referring to the faction he's a part of and another mentioned in his role pm? As well as town and mafia of course. Or he could just be messing with people.
psy_wombats
13315
author=demonlord5000
So let's see here. Chaos and humility seem to be allied, law and charity seem to be allied, neutral I would assume to be neutral, but because of frogges win condition it seems to have some tie to chaos, and then patience is an unknown factor.
What makes you think humility is Chaos-aligned?
Hmm, so Frogge has already mentioned that Hikitsune does not fall under Chaos, Humility, or Neutral alignment, and LockeZ is not affiliated with them. What could this all mean?
author=demonlord5000
So let's see here. Chaos and humility seem to be allied, law and charity seem to be allied, neutral I would assume to be neutral, but because of frogges win condition it seems to have some tie to chaos, and then patience is an unknown factor.
It seems we should be targeting chaos and humility. I'm torn about lynching frogge right now. On one hand, he has a win condition tied to chaos, making it likely he is chaos, humility, or neutral aligned. On the other hand, he is being super helpful, so taking him out right now seems like a waste.
I really don't want to vote nolynch either knowing about the time limit, but I don't know who to target. If it comes down to it I'd say one of the people who aren't contributing much.
I'd like to point out once again that we only have two people (out of 13) claiming a day 6/future day event. Both could be Chaos as far as we know, pushing us into lynching to help their cause. Hell, perhaps the event in question is their loss day - that is, they have to win the game before then. They could be using their knowledge of the series to make it seem like it's a bad thing for us, when it may very well be the other way around.
Didn't at least one of the games (I've only seen one played so I don't know much beyond there being some sort of judgement) have angels step in to wreak divine retribution on chaos after a week or so?
If we had more than 3 players (I doubt there'd be more than 4 chaos aligned - that would be pretty hard for us to fight against) pointing towards an x day event then it'd be believable, but otherwise, it's something to at least be a little sceptical about.
Also, interesting. From the sounds of it someone used their power to fact-check LockeZ's post for connections between each other. Tomorrow, we should try to make use of that power by making lists of likely suspects so that that person can check for out-of-thread connections. It might net us some scum. Unless there's a miller-type role, in which case, might be a good idea to step forward before that power gets used again.
demonlord5000
680
Frogges win condition has them paired together. He could be lying, but I have a reason to believe otherwise.
@Liberty: And how is two people pointing out the end of the world stuff unusual? They only know this because it popped up through their pms. They're just relaying the info.
Not ruling out the possibility that it's a loss day for their faction, mind you, but I really think "because only a few people pointed it out" is a bad argument.
Not ruling out the possibility that it's a loss day for their faction, mind you, but I really think "because only a few people pointed it out" is a bad argument.
Zeuzio
3787
author=Ratty524
Hmm, so Frogge has already mentioned that Hikitsune does not fall under Chaos, Humility, or Neutral alignment, and LockeZ is not affiliated with them. What could this all mean?
I think it means that LockeZ could be those one of those three, but he could also by part of any other alignment that hikitsune is not. From what we know, hikitsune could be law, charity, or patience. The the odds of LockeZ working for chaos are increased but not confirmed.
author=psy_wombatsauthor=demonlord5000What makes you think humility is Chaos-aligned?
So let's see here. Chaos and humility seem to be allied, law and charity seem to be allied, neutral I would assume to be neutral, but because of frogges win condition it seems to have some tie to chaos, and then patience is an unknown factor.
It is weird that humility would be chaos while patience and charity are law, with all of them being named after virtues? I get that frogge's win condition pairs them together, but...hmm.
Red mighht be some sort of misc role, maybe neutral, maybe some sort of Tenkai Star, heck we know Cave was that once.
Right now, there isn't much we can assume.
I'll #cancel for now, I'm not so sure on Ratty anymore.
Libby, are you sure about the millers revealing themselves? While I agree it would help make sure we don't see a miller as a mafia, I think it could be even more dangerous to do so, and sorta defeats the point of masons. What if some masons are linked so one person dies if the other dies, we could accidentally kill 2 people.
Oh also it seems as if most people have their own agendas so I doubt people would volenteer that anyway.
Right now, there isn't much we can assume.
I'll #cancel for now, I'm not so sure on Ratty anymore.
Libby, are you sure about the millers revealing themselves? While I agree it would help make sure we don't see a miller as a mafia, I think it could be even more dangerous to do so, and sorta defeats the point of masons. What if some masons are linked so one person dies if the other dies, we could accidentally kill 2 people.
Oh also it seems as if most people have their own agendas so I doubt people would volenteer that anyway.
Also I think it'd be interesting if someone put everyone's name in a post and someone used that power on them.
author=Ratty524
@Liberty: And how is two people pointing out the end of the world stuff unusual? They only know this because it popped up through their pms. They're just relaying the info.
Not ruling out the possibility that it's a loss day for their faction, mind you, but I really think "because only a few people pointed it out" is a bad argument.
I'm saying that we can't just take it at face value that the information in benevolent. It's a 13 person game - ergo, at least 2 or 3 people are bound to be Chaos aligned. They probably have more information than most people, and they can use that information to lead us astray.
Hell, they probably have a better idea of what's going on because they can share information with each other, and one of them probably has a power that isn't 'kill during night phase' - maybe even an information-gathering ability of some kind that they used during the Night 0 phase to learn stuff. Even if they don't, they likely still have more information that they can twist.
Both people who gave the information about there being a future day event may be scum. Or maybe only one of them (after all, one person just said there was a possible future event and another specified Day 6 being end-game).
I'm just saying that that kind of information, coming from only two sources, could be a trap and that we need more confirmation to take it more seriously as a threat than two people who could both be scum running a plan.
I'm serious about millers revealing themselves BEFORE the skill is used tomorrow, but only if we agree that the skill should be used in that way. I'd rather they'd reveal themselves than the person with the power reveal themselves - the power is more useful in this aspect. We'd have to weigh the losses vs the usefulness of that power. Besides, if they were linked together and it was pointed out after the power was used, they'd have to out themselves anyway. Better to be done beforehand than after, since it could be read as a scum play to protect themselves after the fact.
author=Kloe
Also I think it'd be interesting if someone put everyone's name in a post and someone used that power on them.
Uh, I don't think it tells us who is linked to whom (or at least, it seemed more like a general "no-one here is linked" and probably will give a "someone here is linked" answer if it hits), so shoving everyone's name in a list probably won't be useful. I mean, we could try it, but I think putting a few people's name in a list instead works better. That gives the power-user the choice of picking a list they feel is interesting and suspicious.
What if we check if the two people who say the end is coming, are linked or not? Would that make you happy?
author=Liberty
Both people who gave the information about there being a future day event may be scum. Or maybe only one of them (after all, one person just said there was a possible future event and another specified Day 6 being end-game).
