[MAFIA] SIMPLE MAFIA FOR NORMAL PEOPLE

#cancel

@Jero: fair point yeah, I'm hoping this should be open and shut.

Holy ninja.

I guess that must mean that Gourd is the goon and his partner is the roleblocker? Otherwise I don't see how jailing one of two scum could prevent nightkill.

CAVE, what happens when jailer and roleblocker target each other simultaneously?

I'll just take Psy's claim at face value unless someone counterclaims. It would be pretty fucking ballsy to lie about.

Hmm. The Gourd voters on day 1 were Jeroen, Ebeth and Isrieri. So, not all of them have been confirmed as town.

Psy, it sounds like you jailed Gourd because you thought he was scum, not because you thought he'd be a target. Did you voice this earlier? Jeroen's chart is claiming you were neutral about him. If people (who are still alive) other than Jeroen were vocal about suspecting Gourd, then your reasoning makes sense.

Also I just noticed that Jeroen's chart claims that everybody thinks he's town. Rofl. Jeroen, egotistical much?

I've jailed scumhunting both times because I thought I'd be the one nightkilled -- day 1 mostly because I thought scum would roleblock Cap rather than kill him when there was jailer/doc around.

Gourd was the most scummy of the original day 1 train because only survivor is Jero and I already jailed him day1, so 50% he's clear. Hypothesis was that if none of those voters were scum, Gourd was.

If I were d1 bussing I would have stuck to my guns. I've successfully done it before. I just lost confidence in the train when the majority of people seemed to heavily disagree with me.

Reading over IF's posts, he seems like the most likely Gourd partner to me. IF has been pretty vocal about his townlean on Gourd, while also saying he didn't want to lynch Gourd to keep Gourd's post count down. (?)

author=InfectionFiles
Sorry everyone. My grandpa has been in the hospital. I know, no excuses for mafia but it's been hectic.

I've been catching up (wasn't too hard since it seems I wasn't the only one!) I was expecting to have to read a book to catch up.

So my top two suspicions are Ebeth(still) and like Gourd, I'm looking at Psy. Mainly because his plays have been off from what I know of him as a townie. Voting LockeZ because LockeZ voted for him is very un-psy. But that's just sorta meta suspicion.
Ebeth because I just haven't lost the feeling on her. And she's constantly on me, which I always feel is a little scummy. But I don't want to be a broken record on her because I could be completely wrong and suffering from the same thing that rubs me the wrong one.

I'm going to re-read some people and look back. But I've been pretty indifferent to demonlord, pretty sure he's just town. Jero isn't getting me anywhere and I may just be looking at him SINCE he is HELPFUL. which isn't a good move.

And then, Gourd and LockeZ seem to being playing their usual selves. So I'll have a hard time spotting anything weird there.

So for now I'm going to vote:

#lynch Ebeth

This post feels like a coordinated Gourd/IF effort to throw shade on Psy in hopes of setting up his lynch today after the Ebeth lynch.

Especially considering this post by Gourd at the start of this day phase.

author=Gourd_Clae

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
Isrieri - 5 : Ebeth, LockeZ, demonlord, Cap_H, Gourd_Clae, Ebeth, LockeZ, psy_wombats

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
Final Votecount
Ebeth - 4: Psy_Wombats, Jeroen, demonlord, InfectionFiles

The only person that's the same on these two lists is psy which is... interesting. Although, if I'm going to level with you, I probably would also be on both lists if IF hadn't hammered ebeth.

I said earlier that I feel like either Gourd or Jeroen is scum, but not both, and I still feel like that's the case. I'm probably going to fall asleep before Gourd wakes up to make his case, but at this point I'm leaning toward voting for him. It's not guaranteed but it's got the best shot.

I didn't really think Gourd was suspicious personally, and demonlord also said he trusted him, but Psy's logic makes a lot of sense: Gourd was the only person left who had gotten multiple votes on them, so he would be a pretty weird choice for scum to nightkill. They could've targetted Jeroen who supposedly had an entire column of green squares (lol), or Demonlord whom half the players are trusting unquestioningly because he misunderstood the rules.

...I mean, unless the scum team is Jeroen + Demonlord. Then they obviously couldn't have done that.

So I guess if Gourd isn't scum, then I think the scum team is probably Jeroen + Demonlord?

I'm worried we're not gonna get a lot of other info today since everyone is just talking about Psy's roleclaim and the likelihood of his theory. I guess we only have to find one scum today, but in case we survive the night I'd like to hear who people think we should lynch tomorrow too.

I think we do need clarification from CAVE on what happens if roleblocker nk/blocks the jailer, and the jailer targets the roleblocker.

Either way though, we still do have to kill scum today. Because I've blown my cover, if by some miracle Gourd isn't scum, I'll be roleblocked tonight and that's game. I'm pretty sure that's Gourd though and I won't vote for anyone else today (unless the other scum would like to counterclaim me, in which case, by all means try it)

But if we nail Gourd, and either he's the roleblocker or I can cancel the roleblocker, we essentially have two shots. I'll announce who I target, and if I'm dead the next day, they'll be vindicated. If I'm still alive, we kill that person. There's no guarantee they're scum, obviously, but we'll have another shot to jail the real scum on the next night.

@Jero: re:IF that makes some sense. If you're town then I don't doubt you were last night's nk target. As for demonlord, there's only one case I don't buy that his screwup was legitimate, and that would be if you and him were coordinating to immediately clear him. By canceling right away you made the matter look pretty resolved.

Also LockeZ seems fine to me now as well.

Since we shold be spending as little time as possible on this (because this is wrong) I'm revealing now that I'm a vanilla townie.

psy you should be concluding that I'm town if you jailed me. You must have protected me from the nk.

Does the nightkill actually count as a role? I'm curious because the backup6 site says that mafia goon is the equivalent of vanilla town, and that the night kill itself is a desperate thing. Might be good to get clarification on this too since I decided to check after gourd brought it up.

If the kill counts as a role, then I'm killing gourd tonight. If it doesn't, then it may be a good idea to look at other options just in case.