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MAFIA: IS THIS WEREWOLF? [MAFIA]
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psy_wombats
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CloseI misinterpreted what you were saying about talking with Muffle as a guarantee that those roles were present. I really wanted to say you'd have to be scum to think that scum-me would organize a massclaim because I somehow knew beforehand that only I would benefit, but I really don't think that can be the case because you would've just called rolecop, and Demon and Aneko both got visited, and I think you have to have visited me to call me as the roleblocker. Although I guess it's not entirely impossible that that was a guess and the other two roles were backdoors if I wasn't.
There's no good reason for a vig to hide. They're not even the most likely kill, that'd be one of the investigation roles. And town-Demon is around to protect the valuable roles. And they're way more likely to get lynched today because they're lying. Like right now, if we got 4 votes on JJJ and he says "actually I'm vigilante," would you buy that claim? Also, my plan is to roleblock someone with a useless/passive role (cave, cap, gourd, jay) so they might get caught in that. There's no reason they should be dishonest if everyone else is being honest.
I think it's safe to clear Aneko and Demon because I don't get why they'd otherwise both claim to have been visited.
Cave is clear unless he's on a scumteam with Cap, other he wouldn't have been able to exactly describe how Cap's role works, and scum having this role would be very dumb.
Jeroen and Gourd both described weird enough roles where I think they're less likely to be scum (in Gourd's case he could've just said "LockeZ is mad at you psy!!" which is all I was expecting, really).
This leaves JJJ and Cap as the actual people I think are scum.
There's no good reason for a vig to hide. They're not even the most likely kill, that'd be one of the investigation roles. And town-Demon is around to protect the valuable roles. And they're way more likely to get lynched today because they're lying. Like right now, if we got 4 votes on JJJ and he says "actually I'm vigilante," would you buy that claim? Also, my plan is to roleblock someone with a useless/passive role (cave, cap, gourd, jay) so they might get caught in that. There's no reason they should be dishonest if everyone else is being honest.
I think it's safe to clear Aneko and Demon because I don't get why they'd otherwise both claim to have been visited.
Cave is clear unless he's on a scumteam with Cap, other he wouldn't have been able to exactly describe how Cap's role works, and scum having this role would be very dumb.
Jeroen and Gourd both described weird enough roles where I think they're less likely to be scum (in Gourd's case he could've just said "LockeZ is mad at you psy!!" which is all I was expecting, really).
This leaves JJJ and Cap as the actual people I think are scum.
psy_wombats
13315
Actually, I'm pretty sure I know how this works -- scum visits their nightkill targets a day in advance, then kills them on the full moon. Demon outright claimed on day1, and Aneko slipped that she had a role. They'd be the top nightkill targets.
Damn it, why are you so freaking good at making sense?
I absolutely do not clear Cap because fakeclaiming by saying "Hey, so am I!" is probably the easiest fakeclaim you can make. At that point, you just have to go down the checklist and say, "Yep, I can do that, too!"
Likewise, I doubt Cave is scum because, A) this means he and Cap both fakeclaimed to come out and it's incredibly stupid for scum to join themselves at the hip like that and B) since it's Cave that claims first, Cap's claim would not only confirm Cave's but would make Cap's double suspicious.
#cancel
#lynch Cap_H
This doesn't clear you, psy. We can't ignore the fact that both Demon and LockeZ have(had) abilities that let them instakill scum if they got the opportunity, whereas you've already stated that your role can't affect scum. Why can they, but you can't? I think you're the only one who's made that particular claim, then again, I skip a lot of stuff when I've got a wall of text in front of me, so maybe I've missed other instances.
I absolutely do not clear Cap because fakeclaiming by saying "Hey, so am I!" is probably the easiest fakeclaim you can make. At that point, you just have to go down the checklist and say, "Yep, I can do that, too!"
Likewise, I doubt Cave is scum because, A) this means he and Cap both fakeclaimed to come out and it's incredibly stupid for scum to join themselves at the hip like that and B) since it's Cave that claims first, Cap's claim would not only confirm Cave's but would make Cap's double suspicious.
#cancel
#lynch Cap_H
This doesn't clear you, psy. We can't ignore the fact that both Demon and LockeZ have(had) abilities that let them instakill scum if they got the opportunity, whereas you've already stated that your role can't affect scum. Why can they, but you can't? I think you're the only one who's made that particular claim, then again, I skip a lot of stuff when I've got a wall of text in front of me, so maybe I've missed other instances.
JJJ7
30
I not as suspicious of psy, is what i meant to say.
Ok, this is just an idea but, psy skill is pretty useless if he can only use it on town, so isn't there the possibility that there's no town vigilante but a third faction kinda like a serial killer?
Ok, this is just an idea but, psy skill is pretty useless if he can only use it on town, so isn't there the possibility that there's no town vigilante but a third faction kinda like a serial killer?
JJJ7
I not as suspicious of psy, is what i meant to say.
Ok, this is just an idea but, psy skill is pretty useless if he can only use it on town, so isn't there the possibility that there's no town vigilante but a third faction kinda like a serial killer?
But it's super useful if he's scum. It's useful to scum team.
JJJ7
30
Oh i see, that does makes sense.
I still doubt that he's mafia, but i can understand the suspicion.
I still doubt that he's mafia, but i can understand the suspicion.
Cap is not high on my list now. It's more likely to me that there are two veterans in order to balance out piano's power especially as well as the other power roles. If he was scum counterclaiming someone in an attempt to get them killed, I don't know why he would go for me and not Gourd or Jeroen, unless they were scum with him.
aneko's claim makes no sense
jj claims VT
demonlord is the lone protective with allegedly as many as three town killing roles
I'd be inclined to vote for any of these three today. I'll read over their posts but I don't recall any of them doing anything to make me think they were town.
aneko's claim makes no sense
jj claims VT
demonlord is the lone protective with allegedly as many as three town killing roles
I'd be inclined to vote for any of these three today. I'll read over their posts but I don't recall any of them doing anything to make me think they were town.
demonlord5000
680
Alright, here's a question. We still don't know much about visitation power, but psy did have a theory about it. I could defend aneko tonight and possibly retaliate against one scum while leaving myself to get killed, but if we are wrong about it being a delayed killed then it would leave our cop exposed.
Still gathering my thoughts so I'll post more in a minute.
Still gathering my thoughts so I'll post more in a minute.
demonlord5000
680
The benefits
1. Might be able to kill one of the scum team
2. Even if we lose our cop, if gourds claim is real we can still get the results through gourd, assuming his medium claim is real.
3. If successful, there should only be one scum left, and it will be in jeroens results.
The risks
1. We lose our cop, so we will have to make do with only two investigative reports. We can still use the power to catch someone in a fakeclaim.
1. Might be able to kill one of the scum team
2. Even if we lose our cop, if gourds claim is real we can still get the results through gourd, assuming his medium claim is real.
3. If successful, there should only be one scum left, and it will be in jeroens results.
The risks
1. We lose our cop, so we will have to make do with only two investigative reports. We can still use the power to catch someone in a fakeclaim.
demonlord5000
680
Earlier in the game cap said he thought my role might be real due to his own. I'm not too familiar with the veteran role, but would defending someone count as visiting them? I would assume yes because I have to go to them to defend them, but if this isn't standard then cap would be suspicious.
psy_wombats
13315
I got a PM from our moderator clarifying why my role works the way it does. Because it will probably affect my reasoning I don't think I can in good faith not share it, regardless about whether I think I should have this info. What I can clean from it:
- There are multiple werewolves (I guess obviously but w/e)
- Werewolves can only attack on full moon nights (Jeroen looking pretty good)
- If I block one wolf, the other can attack anyway, so therefore I can be said to be unable to prevent a werewolf attack (this makes me question the delayed kill theory a bit because it sounds like there's one kill submitted by no one in particular. but...)
- Werewolves attack with something like automatic weapons, no further clarification (could be interpreted as "unstoppable" or "locked in")
@Cave: Demonlord and Aneko were both visited last night. I believe them both on that. No one has fessed up to visiting them, so the visitors must be scum. Both of them can be ruled out. I don't think scum-Cap made that play to counterclaim you, I think he made it so he had a believable claim. Are you going to answer his question about shots?
@Demonlord: The plan sounds fine, but I would choose from one of several options vs saying outright what you're doing in case scum isn't actually locked in on their targets. I believe defending would count as visitation.
@piano/JJJ: I never said my power can't affect scum, just that it can't block the nightkill. I imagine scum have other powers that I can block.
@piano: I'm not ruling out Cap, I'm (mostly) ruling out Cave. Cap is definitely still suspicious, I listed him as scum.
- There are multiple werewolves (I guess obviously but w/e)
- Werewolves can only attack on full moon nights (Jeroen looking pretty good)
- If I block one wolf, the other can attack anyway, so therefore I can be said to be unable to prevent a werewolf attack (this makes me question the delayed kill theory a bit because it sounds like there's one kill submitted by no one in particular. but...)
- Werewolves attack with something like automatic weapons, no further clarification (could be interpreted as "unstoppable" or "locked in")
@Cave: Demonlord and Aneko were both visited last night. I believe them both on that. No one has fessed up to visiting them, so the visitors must be scum. Both of them can be ruled out. I don't think scum-Cap made that play to counterclaim you, I think he made it so he had a believable claim. Are you going to answer his question about shots?
@Demonlord: The plan sounds fine, but I would choose from one of several options vs saying outright what you're doing in case scum isn't actually locked in on their targets. I believe defending would count as visitation.
@piano/JJJ: I never said my power can't affect scum, just that it can't block the nightkill. I imagine scum have other powers that I can block.
@piano: I'm not ruling out Cap, I'm (mostly) ruling out Cave. Cap is definitely still suspicious, I listed him as scum.
I have to admit, JJJ7 being the only vanilla in the game doesn't look good. I am really distrustful of Cap because according to his claim, his role is identical to CAVE's. It just feels way too convenient. Still, I do not object to a JJJ lynch. That just isn't sitting right with me.
#cancel
#lynch JJJ7
I think I'll investigate Aneko, tonight. Hopefully, if I get night killed, that won't prevent me getting a result.
#cancel
#lynch JJJ7
I think I'll investigate Aneko, tonight. Hopefully, if I get night killed, that won't prevent me getting a result.
aneko
4
that was a lot to catch up on.
are you saying he claimed Veteran and because he claimed Villager
Cap_H was the one who also claimed Veteran
so how is it identical to Caves?
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
jj claims VT
are you saying he claimed Veteran and because he claimed Villager
Cap_H was the one who also claimed Veteran
so how is it identical to Caves?
VT stands for vanilla town.
I'll answer Cap's question...but i want us both to do it at the SAME TIME
which may not be feasible
I'll answer Cap's question...but i want us both to do it at the SAME TIME
which may not be feasible
it could work if we set a time in the future (like, exactly when it becomes x o'clock, by the millisecond) and then post the answer simultaneously.
JJJ7 claims Vanilla Town.
Cap_H's role is identical to Cave's. They are both veterans and both can choose whether or not they kill someone that visits them.
Cap_H's role is identical to Cave's. They are both veterans and both can choose whether or not they kill someone that visits them.
phoneposting but also if his motivation was 'believable claim' then I would assume he would pick something not claimed yet if he was scum. In the case where he is scum, that means he sees all of these people claiming unique roles and no one claiming the same role, so in his mind believable would have been something not yet claimed.
don't advertise what action you're going to take tonight.
don't advertise what action you're going to take tonight.
aneko
4
Cap and JJ7 don't really it right with me one claimed the exact same thing as Cave and the other just doesn't read right for me. they could be on a team together but I'm not sure... JJ has been very vanilla like Piano says... Short posts, Villager is a pretty common role to claim and they can't do much unless they have a gun... their only strength is their word. it's... it's just weird to me...
#Lynch JJ7
#Lynch JJ7
