MAFIA: IS THIS WEREWOLF? [MAFIA]

You say one guaranteed town but doesn't necessarily mean there can't be two, i suppouse.

But anyway, this doesn't really help my case all that much.
Althought for my point of view i can stop suspecting psy for doing this whole mass claiming thing for scummy reasons (well more like being about 90% sure he's town)

It was very unlikely, but the idea was in the back of my head.

author=psy_wombats
I blocked myself last night in case some observational role was on me so that I'd be able to demonstrate I wasn't harming anyone (it worked, I got a block message). There's no way I could've been otherwise constructive with my ability. For reference, this is why I'm less concerned about town PRs getting roleblocking -- unless there are two RBs in game, I don't think scum can actually stop them. Assassin maybe, but that's going to be shot-limited.

wait, this doesn't make sense. How was piano able to get a result on you.

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK

author=psy_wombats
@piano: Same question, next claim? I'd say JJJ because he's here but would not put it past scum-Cave or someone to hide so as to claim later down the line.

yeah, that absence after the mod literally closed the game is really suspicious.

my role name is veteran. I can activate my power and anyone who visits me during that night phase is killed.

Interesting, I'm a veteran too. And It's even more interesting that I need to activate my power. How many shots do you have?

mod joining the game there. But i have an actual in-game reason to townread him too. He could rage-quit after argueing with you. And you staying here and trying to communicate it out is also a good look.
But it's very strange that you would be able to roleblock yourself, while he would get a result.

I still don't see why RB'ing myself would prevent piano from doing anything. I agree it's a little odd I was allowed to RB myself at all but that's fine.




Anyway, post-claim results for those keeping track at home:

piano - investigator
psy - roleblocker
demon - bodyguard
cave - veteran
aneko - witness
JJJ - villager
gourd - medium
jeroen - psychic
cap - veteran

Interesting stuff:

1 - There's no claimed vigilante. If you're the town vig and you fakeclaimed for some reason, reconsider because you're being bad town. If there's really no vig, as it stands, this makes Piano (and Gourd) likely scum in my eyes. Piano said a vigilante should be guaranteed to be in the game, but there isn't one. I think he's probably scum rolecop, possibly providing Medium as a role he knew his scumpartner Gourd had, and guessing that vig existing because of Demon's earlier claim. (also possibly blindly guessing medium as well). Not 100% on this because why wouldn't Piano just call rolecop in the first place? it'd be much more likely to get me killed for 100% being a RB vs just 33% being a RB.

2 - Aneko and Demon were visited last night. No one has claimed to have visited them. This means that both scum have roles that produce noise when used, and also that Demon and Aneko are likely town -- I don't see any reason for them to lie in their first posts of this day. Luckily this also means there's unlikely to be an assassin or second roleblocker, because I know roleblocking produces a message.

3 - Demon is the only claimed protection role, but there wasn't a nightkill, and Demon said his power didn't activate. So I think Jeroen is correct that there's some sort of phase thing going on where scum actually aren't allowed to kill, vs them getting blocked or something. Or maybe they're now werewolf-bitten and going to transform and die tomorrow, but that seems dumb. Also makes Jeroen less likely to be scum to me because if someone had called doctor, I'd think his role was BS.

Some problems with scenarios 2 and 4 there ^ are why demon and aneko would get visit messages. Really hoping scum doesn't have some visitation-delayed-kill or whatever in place of nk.

psy_wombats
@Cap: Piano and Gourd don't confirm each other because there isn't a vigilante to independently confirm them. In order of likelihood, to me:
1 - town vig is being dumb
2 - piano is scum rolecop, partnered with gourd who isn't a medium at all or is the ?scum medium?
3 - piano misunderstands his role
4 - piano is scum rolecop, he correctly guessed a medium existed but whoops there's no vig

Also, if your theory is Cave=scum, how do you think Cave learned a veteran existed in game and knows how it works?

You're forgetting:

pianotm
In a conversation in which Muffle tried to determine whether or not I was leaving the game, she indicated that she expected us to use my ability to confirm other players by withholding role names and seeing if someone claims any of them. If you are not a roleblocker, then you are definitely one of the other two, so we know of at least one and before I made my claim I see that you at least talked of the possibility of a roleblocker. We can reasonably establish that this theory isn't a stretch.

I was absolutely unwilling to commit to a guarantee. You are also forgetting:

demonlord5000
Alright. I'm the bodyguard. I can defend others once per night. It will also give me a message if it is successful. Due to the wording I also have reason to believe there is a town vigilante in the game. What I can do is defend myself tonight, and have the vigilante shoot me tonight.

The reason I made that post about cave is if hes town, hes almost assured to get nightkilled, and I would have been able to prove that he was targeted but now I'm going to have to waste it to confirm myself instead.

There are two of us claiming there is likely a vigilante in the game.

Psy, if your logic correct, which I've just demonstrated that it's not, the likely scumteam would be me and demonlord5000. I suppose there could be three mafia, but with ten players to start, there is likely to be only two.

However, even with your broken logic, I think you've stumbled onto actual scum:

#lynch Gourd_Clae

I believe Gourd is fakeclaiming. The reason is because if his interesting conversation with LockeZ.

Gourd_Clae
Oh, yeah! Okay, I'll tell you what LockeZ said. It wasn't super super helpful and I don't that I can repeat it word for word but our exchange was basically:

G: Hey, I'm the medium and I'm messaging you directly because Muffle told me that's how my power works. Is there anything I should know?

L: My power also let me message people directly.

Although my role name was "Jailor" there were actually three parts to it, being a jailor was just a single part.

I could ask my target questions and I also had the ability to kill them I lost my role power if I killed town or died if I let scum live.

Because of this, I think that the role names are misleading.

G: Me, saying stuff about my power + inviting LockeZ to message me again if he has more to add so long as he messages me before night ends.

Bold is mine.

LockeZ is the Village Jailor. Why does his power let him message the living? Also, that is a very un-LockeZ typo.

Demon's claim to be bodyguard is absolutely unaffected by the mass roleclaim, except for the very real consequence that he is now likely a first candidate for a Night Kill.

Cap's power is also now pointless.

Jeroen's power is unaffected.

My power is unaffected, except I am also a prime NK candidate.

Psy, you're the roleblocker. You are literally the only person this benefits.

I've changed my mind. I don't think Gourd is fakeclaiming.

#cancel

If there is no vigilante, Demon's role is nonsensical -- there are no other town killing powers, so why would Demon have different results based on the alignment of the attacker? Would LockeZ's weird jail/execution thing be counted here? But if Demon's actually scum, he's fakeclaiming, because scum wouldn't need a bodyguard.

I don't know what you mean by the claiming not being helpful for "people" rather than "town," unless you're trying to imply I'm scum and therefore got everyone to claim so I'd know who to block. Assuming all powers are real, Cap, Cave and me all have anti-town powers anyway, so that's irrelevant. Now we're at a point where Demon can protect one of himself/you/Jeroen and have a good chance of counterattacking scum. Aneko's claim is so unclear I have no idea how this would affect it.

Well, actually, you know, psy, you and I would be the prime scum team in this set up. You role block, and I can just go down the list, by the numbers, confirming people's claims.

I do agree that someone is fakeclaiming to avoid claiming vig, but I can't blame them. I didn't want a vig claim because that's the guaranteed first NK, unless scum can manage to pointt the vig in the direction they want.