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[MAFIA] TREACHEROUS - GAME OVER
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demonlord5000
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CloseIt's as I said, to give others a chance to see what has happened and give their input. Game hasn't been very active yet and a lot of people haven't posted.
I just think no lynch in general is a terrible idea, although I'll admit this is a very unusual situation. I could go into more detail on my thoughts, but I'd rather wait for the non posters to speak up first.
I just think no lynch in general is a terrible idea, although I'll admit this is a very unusual situation. I could go into more detail on my thoughts, but I'd rather wait for the non posters to speak up first.
PlatinumAshes
I am now certain that you are not scum and are just town trying to play scum as hard as possible.
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You may now only vote for CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK or pianotm.
With 9 living players, it takes 5 votes to hammer.
Votecount:
Not voting: 6 - Jeroen_Sol, InfectionFiles, Gourd_Clae, AlaskanEmily, OzzyTheOne, demonlord5000
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 2 pianotm, psy_wombats
pianotm: 1 CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK,demonlord5000, psy_wombats
There is no time limit for now. A timer will begin if no clear winner emerges.
With 9 living players, it takes 5 votes to hammer.
Votecount:
Not voting: 6 - Jeroen_Sol, InfectionFiles, Gourd_Clae, AlaskanEmily, OzzyTheOne, demonlord5000
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 2 pianotm, psy_wombats
pianotm: 1 CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK,
There is no time limit for now. A timer will begin if no clear winner emerges.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
I hath returneth.
Not a big fan of demonlord at the moment. Plenty of people have called Piano's cancel weird, but few have called it suspicious, because it isn't. I can't see a scum incentive to cancel that vote, other than Cave and piano both being scum.
But unless scum chat opened on night 0, I don't think they would pull such a play day 1, since scum chat should be night only this game.
Ozzy was a bit wishy-washy on the cancel which I also don't like, but demon in particular feels opportunistic. If piano and Cave are both town, then it comes across as scum trying to kill off the townie that still has a power left and keeping the now-vanilla alive.
I feel piano's roleclaim came a bit early, especially since it's a cop claim. He wasn't in any immediate danger of dying yet. Then again, he was at -2 with a few other people wanting to eventually vote him as well.
One scum play I could see piano doing is his partner is the real detective Grey and he's fakeclaiming to win this duel, but I don't think that's very likely, and I'm not willing to risk a cop on that.
So definitely gonna vote Cave after I've seen some more of everyone, even though he hasn't done anything suspicious in my book yet. I don't agree with the people saying we should nolynch instead. It's not like he's confirmed town.
Not a big fan of demonlord at the moment. Plenty of people have called Piano's cancel weird, but few have called it suspicious, because it isn't. I can't see a scum incentive to cancel that vote, other than Cave and piano both being scum.
But unless scum chat opened on night 0, I don't think they would pull such a play day 1, since scum chat should be night only this game.
Ozzy was a bit wishy-washy on the cancel which I also don't like, but demon in particular feels opportunistic. If piano and Cave are both town, then it comes across as scum trying to kill off the townie that still has a power left and keeping the now-vanilla alive.
I feel piano's roleclaim came a bit early, especially since it's a cop claim. He wasn't in any immediate danger of dying yet. Then again, he was at -2 with a few other people wanting to eventually vote him as well.
One scum play I could see piano doing is his partner is the real detective Grey and he's fakeclaiming to win this duel, but I don't think that's very likely, and I'm not willing to risk a cop on that.
So definitely gonna vote Cave after I've seen some more of everyone, even though he hasn't done anything suspicious in my book yet. I don't agree with the people saying we should nolynch instead. It's not like he's confirmed town.
Yeah cave is not confirmed town I'm not going to no lynch.
I would like to hear more on demons thoughts. Especially on no lynching.
As of now I would vote to kill cave. Killing off the detective is probably the worst thing we could do day 1. Besides no lynching maybe.
I would like to hear more on demons thoughts. Especially on no lynching.
As of now I would vote to kill cave. Killing off the detective is probably the worst thing we could do day 1. Besides no lynching maybe.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
I asked PA, and he confirmed that there was no N0. So I don't think it's likely any scum cooperation is happening at this point in the game. Cave is known for erratic behavior and going after his teammates D1, (he almost got me lynched one game we were scum together. Was stressful business) but I don't think it's likely he would challenge his teammate D1 to a 1v1 without being able to communicate. If Cave flips scum I don't think piano is.
This also makes me feel better about piano's push for nolynch. I don't think scum piano would do that if he could easily get town Cave lynched.
This also makes me feel better about piano's push for nolynch. I don't think scum piano would do that if he could easily get town Cave lynched.
In all fairness, piano pushed for no lynch before he claimed so if he was scum he could have been just trying to get out of getting lynched since it was looking like he might die at that point.
Not that I think he's sum I'm just saying there's a lot of room for doubt here.
Not that I think he's sum I'm just saying there's a lot of room for doubt here.
demonlord5000
680
I have arrived. I believe this is the possible outcomes lynch and no lynch.
First Scenario: We lynch cave with town flip, piano is nk'd with town flip and we effectively lose our one investigation role. We end up with some information, although not much with the forced voting. All we would really end up with is who voted for it, and that cave found psy suspicious.
Second Scenario: We don't lynch cave, piano dies as town and we lose our investigation role. This would leave cave unconfirmed and with the votes not telling us much except for who was for it, and who was against it. If he is scum, he would likely never get lynched after this point. Cave is a hard one to kill and he gets away with erratic behavior all the time.
Best Scenario (also most unlikely): Both of them are scum. One of the detectives being scum in this game is very probable, so it's a question on if we hit the right one. Losing our investigative role to that situation wouldn't be terrible. That said, even if we don't vote piano tonight, scum has absolutely no reason to not go after piano, so we will know day 2. This is also the reason for cave for being our only potential vote right now.
First Scenario: We lynch cave with town flip, piano is nk'd with town flip and we effectively lose our one investigation role. We end up with some information, although not much with the forced voting. All we would really end up with is who voted for it, and that cave found psy suspicious.
Second Scenario: We don't lynch cave, piano dies as town and we lose our investigation role. This would leave cave unconfirmed and with the votes not telling us much except for who was for it, and who was against it. If he is scum, he would likely never get lynched after this point. Cave is a hard one to kill and he gets away with erratic behavior all the time.
Best Scenario (also most unlikely): Both of them are scum. One of the detectives being scum in this game is very probable, so it's a question on if we hit the right one. Losing our investigative role to that situation wouldn't be terrible. That said, even if we don't vote piano tonight, scum has absolutely no reason to not go after piano, so we will know day 2. This is also the reason for cave for being our only potential vote right now.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
Why did you not include the scenario of cave being town but piano being scum?
demonlord5000
680
Oversight as it falls into being a better scenario for us. If piano isn't nightkilled tonight, we will auto know he's scum. There would be absolutely no reason for scum to not cripple our detective since our other one is probably real.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
I do not agree with that logic. If piano is town and other detective is scum, for instance, that would be the perfect time to not NK piano and scumshift onto him that way.
demonlord5000
680
I'm not expecting that to work, because then we can let piano be in order to let the detective role have time to investigate the right people.
AlaskanEmily
561
I agree with Jeroen_Sol. If Piano isn't killed, that would just point to at least one detective being scum, Piano or not.
PlatinumAshes
I am now certain that you are not scum and are just town trying to play scum as hard as possible.
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Announcement
It seems that InfectionFiles hasn't posted on this site for several weeks, and it's likely he not even aware that the game has begun.
If any of you know how to get in touch with him, that would be greatly appreciated.
Unfortunately I don't know when he will be back, so I'm going to look for a replacement (by PM'ing the usual suspects).
It seems that InfectionFiles hasn't posted on this site for several weeks, and it's likely he not even aware that the game has begun.
If any of you know how to get in touch with him, that would be greatly appreciated.
Unfortunately I don't know when he will be back, so I'm going to look for a replacement (by PM'ing the usual suspects).
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
Emily, you mentioned the option of nolynching over lynching Cave but did so in a non-committal way. Can you state your opinion on the matter?
I don't know I might have agreed with demon that piano living longer is incriminating but now that he pointed it out I could see scum acting in purposefully confusing ways.
I'm not seeing a scenario where scum wouldn't jump at the chance to kill a town detective, unless y'all had night 0 actions or something.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
I'm not seeing a scenario where scum wouldn't jump at the chance to kill a town detective, unless y'all had night 0 actions or something.
author=PlatinumAshes
Detective Blue &
Detective GreyYou and the other detective share a private anonymous chat at night. You don’t know one another’s real names.
Night ability: Investigate
Uses: Unlimited
Every night in the chat, you may vote on who to #investigate. It takes two votes to hammer. The target's alignment is revealed to both of you at the end of the night.
If the other detective dies, you can no longer investigate.
Notes:
- It is not allowed to cite the Detective chat. You can paraphrase what was said, but directly copying is against the rules.
I feel kinda iffy saying this since I don't want to potentially give scum any ideas, but it seems obvious enough that anyone would think of this:
The detectives don't know each other's identities. So if there is a scum detective, they could just be completely silent in the chat and thus prevent any use of the investigation power. Thus, if there is a scum and a town detective, the town detective would basically be vanilla. So if piano is town and the other detective is scum, then he'd be a really low priority target. That's why I don't like demon's argument that piano living makes him confirmed scum, and I think it could even be setting up a scum shift.
I agree that if piano is town and so is the other detective, he is probably toast.
