[MAFIA] PRISONER'S DILEMMA. GAME OVER

author=demonlord5000
Looks like on day 2 you were also one of the last votes again on piano. I also find it weird you didn't vote for PA on day 2 after being convinced he was scum on day 1. He had several points on him at one point. Granted those piano votes came in quick so being 5th to vote isn't that strange here, I do think it was weird you didn't go after PA again.

I didn't really pursue a lynch on PA even later in D1 because it was clear most people had decided he was just playing a wacky town game, and so it didn't seem productive to get a D1 lynch to pursue that (plus if basically everyone thought I was wrong, then I was probably wrong). The Liberty/Piano argument made me more suspicious of them instead, and Psy's role claim seemed very suspicious too. I was OK with lynching any of them (especially for D1), they all seemed highly suspicious to me. I was however wrong on one thing, Psy's claim was actually real, but Ivory pointed out how even if it was real it wasn't a very town role to have anyway. D2, there was also talk about lynching Piano D2 and PA D3, so why bother saying "NO LYNCH PA RIGHT NOW!", when I also believed Piano was suspicious (far more so than PA at that point). I also kind of figure that if basically everyone thinks he probably isn't scum, then I was probably just wrong at first. That's why I backed off on PA in general.

author=kittenfood
i think she is suspicious too. after the immediate conclusion that a new player had killed shinan or that it was also solely to frame her.

If it isn't to frame me, then it does an extremely good job.

I'm also not sure why all this talk about me racing to vote for Piano. I believed he was scum, so I did vote for him. But I didn't do the hammer. I really likely wouldn't have done the hammer myself either without at the very least waiting for him to respond first. I was hardly alone in that vote, and I voted neither first nor last. I expected a LOT more discussion before the lynch happened.

Um, I doubt this really confirms me as town or.anything, but literally all of you ignored me saying the following after Tale asked if I had claimed any roles.

author=oddRABBIT
But, at this point, I'm basically just vanilla town, so I guess it doesn't matter if I mention it or not anymore.

In this case, I never said I didn't have a power role, just that I was basically vanilla town at that point...?

Fomar, you mean what I said in D1 about questions of power roles/ usage and chance that I could get night killed? I think using myself as bait could lure out scum based on what they said in D1 if they are taking note out loud.

Can't say, if I do does it count as a fake role claim? Really I'm vanilla

It was "two-shot survivor". Essentially, I could make it so that even if I was targeted for a night, I could stop the effects of whatever targeted me. Unfortunately, I ended up using both shots of it night 1 and 2, so at this point I'm just vanilla town.
I was worried about bringing it up in the case that it (1) seemed like a mafia role (seeing as it can stop the effects of other town alongside mafia), and (2) looked like what Psy did with his last-minute rolecop claim.

In hindsight, I could've probably prevented a nightkill or something by somehow getting scum to target me, but I guess that doesn't really work? Either way, it said "Your action has succeeded" or something like that, but I don't really know if I was targeted for anything.

author=oddRABBIT
"Your action has succeeded"

Both nights?

author=oddRABBIT
It seemed like a powerful role, just not a very smart user of said role.

When isn't hindsight 20/20?

Yeah you could have claimed detective or something else strong to entice them to try and kill you, which if suceeded you'd be alive and there wouldn't have been a night kill and we'd have four confirmed town, enough to virtually guarentee a town win.

That is a very interesting role Odd, that role seems more like an independent one rather than a town one, but it definetely isn't a scum one imo, as there is limited uses for town to even shoot at scum at night, so I'm believing your claim and am now fairly certain that you're town.

#lynch Emily

Just putting my vote out there and Emily is certainly our most suspicios person right now, I can't tell why, but I feel like PA is just town who tried to play scum for fools hence his general insanity. And I'm still weary of the possibility of Emily nightkilling Shinan exactly because it would incriminate her and therefore make it look like she's being framed.

author=oddRABBIT
It was "two-shot survivor". Essentially, I could make it so that even if I was targeted for a night, I could stop the effects of whatever targeted me. Unfortunately, I ended up using both shots of it night 1 and 2, so at this point I'm just vanilla town.
I was worried about bringing it up in the case that it (1) seemed like a mafia role (seeing as it can stop the effects of other town alongside mafia), and (2) looked like what Psy did with his last-minute rolecop claim.

In hindsight, I could've probably prevented a nightkill or something by somehow getting scum to target me, but I guess that doesn't really work? Either way, it said "Your action has succeeded" or something like that, but I don't really know if I was targeted for anything.

alright thanks for this info. i think it was probably useful for town had you been more engaged in the game and drew a target like you said, but no use complaining about that now. otherwise it doesn't read as automatically a scum role to me. doesn't do us much good now but at least i'm not still sitting here wondering why only three people picked non vanilla...

Should probably specify I thought you were claiming vanilla in that initial post. It's strange that you worded it to come off as vanilla, only to later give us that claim. I could see it if you were detective or something, but since you already used up the role you should of just straight out told us what it was from the start. The way you went about it just makes it look bad.