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Eggbertx
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CloseFor the record, that Spartacus post was meant as a joke. I wasn't expecting anyone to actually take it seriously.
author=Eggbertx
For the record, that Spartacus post was meant as a joke. I wasn't expecting anyone to actually take it seriously.
I'm sorry about being paranoid over that, it's just that I've experienced such brazen claims before and brushed them off as just jokes and then it was revealed at the end of the game that it weren't jokes.
psy_wombats
13315
author=Liberty
I don't see anything in the rules stating that, and both Ozzy and I had 3 votes on day 2, so we should have been killed then. Also, it said 5 to lynch, not 'highest number at days end gets lynched'. Did I miss an Emily post that confirmed that?
Yeah, sorry, I was also thinking it was hammer or nothing and was posting under that assumption for like a day and a half.
And I really wish I could tell what Clint was breadcrumbing -- I completely missed that he might be talking about Eggbert instead of Dyluck, but then like is that later post about flavors supposed to actually be about Dyluck instead? and he'd have no way to ID if a person was actually scum or not, just if they were vanilla. Which is still useful, but not something you could put a vote on early.
Why not both? There was a night between the egg and dyluck posts, and he could have found both. The chances are low but they exist.
Clint made his very first post about eggs on err... let's call it the end of Day 1. So he would not have used his ability yet. Then even if he did, all he would have seen is "vanilla", and being so early in the game with no other info, he would not have immediately suspected that Eggbert must be vanilla Scum instead of vanilla Town, with any amount of confidence to start dropping hints about eggs.
To top it off, when Clint made his final vote and post, he didn't talk about eggs anymore, and there were 3 votes on Eggbertx. If Clint knew anything, he would have voted Eggbertx there to ensure a successful lynch, with no risk of his own role getting revealed.
So no, Clint didn't know anything about Eggbertx or myself. Clint was just being Clint and doing his usual nonsense.
To top it off, when Clint made his final vote and post, he didn't talk about eggs anymore, and there were 3 votes on Eggbertx. If Clint knew anything, he would have voted Eggbertx there to ensure a successful lynch, with no risk of his own role getting revealed.
So no, Clint didn't know anything about Eggbertx or myself. Clint was just being Clint and doing his usual nonsense.
You know what? I'm calling Dyluck's bluff. In my opinion, right now he's trying to come off as suspicious on purpose, probably to make us think he's the joker, but I have a feeling he's scum trying to trick us, so I'm casting my lot here and now.
#lynch Dyluck
#lynch Dyluck
The way I see it, Dyluck is in a tough spot right now, and he's trying to be obviously suspicious in order for us to think he's the joker, because we wouldn't want to lynch the joker. Clint absolutely knew soemthing about Dyluck, I don't think he knew anything about Eggbert though.
The way Dyluck is trying to way too obviously delegitimize Clint makes me think he's doing a last ditch effort to make us think he's joker by being very obviously suspicious.
The way Dyluck is trying to way too obviously delegitimize Clint makes me think he's doing a last ditch effort to make us think he's joker by being very obviously suspicious.
I think Psy is the Scum, because he was the last to hop on the Liberty train, and also the last to hop on the Waka train.
psy_wombats
13315
author=Dyluck
I think Psy is the Scum, because he was the last to hop on the Liberty train, and also the last to hop on the Waka train.
Liberty was the only kill available at that point in the day, and my WaKa vote was a last minute switch away from you. Which wasn't the right play given his flip, but it wasn't a /scum/ play unless us two are the scum team. Your scumbuddy's someone else, sorry.
Why haven't you guys locked in your vote on me? Is something troubling you? Are you having doubts about me?
I can barely wait for what's going to happen next =)
I can barely wait for what's going to happen next =)
Ooooooh... you're getting too close to asking the right questions... so I guess I'd better start the party early, in case you steal my thunder...
For the record, I was serious when I said I wasn't playing anymore at the end of Day 3 because I was pissed off. But I didn't want to ruin the game for everyone else, so I decided to continue playing on Day 4.
As for what I'm about to say next, it's up to you all whether you think I'm telling the truth or lying, because it's about to get "chaotic" =) As a reminder, don't take it too seriously:
I am in fact the Joker, and yes I would have won the game at the end of Day 3 with a self vote. That was the plan all along, if I wasn't so mad that I didn't want to play anymore at the time. In my mind now, I already won the game at the end of Day 3. And now with a lynch on me all but imminent, I probably would have won again anyways. For me, there's no need to officially win the game here anymore, so I'm going to try something else instead.
The game was pretty stacked against the Town from the start anyways, so I'm going to try to help the Town find the Scum instead, because that would be more interesting! Seems that would be the only thing befitting a true Joker to do at this point!
The JOKER has joined your party!
Am I really the Joker? Or is this my last gasp effort as Scum? Or am I just a chaotic Town all along? That's for you to decide...
So now I will show you some info I've been hiding this whole time. Or someone could just hammer vote me, and I'll get the win anyways =)
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To start with, know that Town has effectively lost the game already. Today with 6 is not the real LYLO. The true LYLO was on 7. When the game comes down to 4, there will be 1 Joker and 1 Scum, and their votes will be anti-Town. Of course we don't know for sure if the game started with 2 Scum, but we have to assume it did. Therefore:
-True LYLO is on 5 with 1 Scum
-True LYLO is on 7 with 2 Scum
-Town needs to lych on 9 on Day 1 in order to get the max 2 chances of lynching the first Scum.
Of all people, I would expect both Psy and Ozzy to know the above, yet they both chose to NoLynch on Day 1. In fact, Ozzy made a very peculiar and unnatrual comment to "explain" his no vote:
There is no reason to add this unnecssary "I'll just go with Dyluck" part. It is likely meant so that if someone does call out Ozzy for his NoLynch, he could say "Well Dyluck NoLynched too, I was just following him. Why don't you sus him first".
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Now, about Day 2. My original plan was to "defend" Ozzy, which is why I claimed he was Joker, so that if he got lynched and flipepd as Scum, then I would look sus. However, Shinan suddenly changed his vote, and a Libby death would not be beneficial to me, so I decided to save her to create the idea of a Dyluck/Libby scum duo instead, as Psy thought. But unfortunately, Libby's little mishap revealed her Spy role early, followed by Shinan's untimely death, which suddenly made Libby look 100% Town. Therefore, I had to go against Libby at the start of Day 3 to appear Scum.
The idea of Spy-Scum Libby killing Shinan to prove her innocence was completely proposterious all along. If Scum Libby spied on Shinan on Night 1, she would have killed him on Night 1 already, instead of Night 2. There's no reason to believe she couldn't have spied first, then do the kill afterwards on the same Night 1. Therefore, putting forth this proposterous idea had the seondary effect of drawing out potential Scum who would support this theory to continue the sus between Dyluck and Libby.
Psy seems more hesitant to believe it, although he specifically agreed with the part about the doc kill. Ozzy on the other hand, seems way too eager to support the idea.
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Now we come to our current situation. Libby is confirmed Spy because nobody contested this. She checked Psy, so he is Vanilla Something, or at least not a PR. Ozzy roleclaimed a so-called Priest. So none of them can be the unaccounted Alchemist. There are 3, call them Scum/Joker, for simplicity.
-From Psy's perspective, if Dyluck is Scum/Joker, then 1 of Eggbertx/Odd must be Alchemist and the other is the 2nd Scum/Joker. Then the 3rd and last Scum/Joker can only be Ozzy.
-From Ozzy's perspective, if Dyluck is Scum/Joker, then 1 of Eggbertx/Odd must be Alchemist and the other is the 2nd Scum/Joker. Then the 3rd and last Scum/Joker can only be Psy.
Yet, neither Psy nor Ozzy has brought this up. Could Psy and Ozzy both be Scum? Possibly but honestly I find it hard to believe, if only because Psy has been disecting Ozzy's roleclaim, and Ozzy did early vote Psy once.
If Psy is Town, he has made a long series of oversights which I kinda find hard to believe he would make these mistakes, inclduing the LYLO math, not needing Hammer to lynch, not realizing Joker can't be nightkilled, and now not using the missing Alchemist to draw conclusions about Ozzy. However, I do feel like Psy's posts have been honestly analyzing the situation and trying hard to find the Scum, so in the end, I believe Psy is still most likely Town.
Ozzy on the other hand, I would say he has not actually been contributing anything meaningful to finding the Scum. If you look at his posts carefully starting from early on, he appears to be active, but his posts tend to contain rhetorical questions and talking about other people's theories, and no real original analysis of his own. Notice that his most recent banter with Eggbertx is very superficial too. Therefore, I believe Ozzy is most likely Scum.
I guess there's an outside chance that maybe there was only 1 Scum to begin with, or that I'm wrong and it's neither Psy nor Ozzy. If the 1-Scum is Eggbertx, well unfortunately he hasn't chosen to post much for us to work with. If the 1-Scum is Odd and he decided to play like this, well then there's nothing we can do either.
Most likely I'd say it's Ozzy/Eggbertx, but the only thing is that Eggbertx voted Ozzy early Day 2, and didn't take it back even when the votes on Ozzy were starting to pile up.
I guess I could also be the 1-Scum myself and this is my most diabolical scheme ever =)
As for what I'm about to say next, it's up to you all whether you think I'm telling the truth or lying, because it's about to get "chaotic" =) As a reminder, don't take it too seriously:
author=AlaskanEmily
This is a semi-closed setup for Mafia with a Joker roleIn this mafia game, there is a single player whose role is "Joker". This player wins only when killed by being lynched. If the Joker wins, the game is instantly over and everyone else loses. Don't take it too seriously, this setup can be chaotic.
I am in fact the Joker, and yes I would have won the game at the end of Day 3 with a self vote. That was the plan all along, if I wasn't so mad that I didn't want to play anymore at the time. In my mind now, I already won the game at the end of Day 3. And now with a lynch on me all but imminent, I probably would have won again anyways. For me, there's no need to officially win the game here anymore, so I'm going to try something else instead.
The game was pretty stacked against the Town from the start anyways, so I'm going to try to help the Town find the Scum instead, because that would be more interesting! Seems that would be the only thing befitting a true Joker to do at this point!
The JOKER has joined your party!
Am I really the Joker? Or is this my last gasp effort as Scum? Or am I just a chaotic Town all along? That's for you to decide...
So now I will show you some info I've been hiding this whole time. Or someone could just hammer vote me, and I'll get the win anyways =)
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To start with, know that Town has effectively lost the game already. Today with 6 is not the real LYLO. The true LYLO was on 7. When the game comes down to 4, there will be 1 Joker and 1 Scum, and their votes will be anti-Town. Of course we don't know for sure if the game started with 2 Scum, but we have to assume it did. Therefore:
-True LYLO is on 5 with 1 Scum
-True LYLO is on 7 with 2 Scum
-Town needs to lych on 9 on Day 1 in order to get the max 2 chances of lynching the first Scum.
Of all people, I would expect both Psy and Ozzy to know the above, yet they both chose to NoLynch on Day 1. In fact, Ozzy made a very peculiar and unnatrual comment to "explain" his no vote:
author=OzzyTheOne
There's like, 11 hours left, for day 1, right? No one seems awfully suspicious, and Libby going after someone that wants to lynch day 1 is nothing new, so I'll just go with Dyluck.
#NoLynch
There is no reason to add this unnecssary "I'll just go with Dyluck" part. It is likely meant so that if someone does call out Ozzy for his NoLynch, he could say "Well Dyluck NoLynched too, I was just following him. Why don't you sus him first".
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Now, about Day 2. My original plan was to "defend" Ozzy, which is why I claimed he was Joker, so that if he got lynched and flipepd as Scum, then I would look sus. However, Shinan suddenly changed his vote, and a Libby death would not be beneficial to me, so I decided to save her to create the idea of a Dyluck/Libby scum duo instead, as Psy thought. But unfortunately, Libby's little mishap revealed her Spy role early, followed by Shinan's untimely death, which suddenly made Libby look 100% Town. Therefore, I had to go against Libby at the start of Day 3 to appear Scum.
The idea of Spy-Scum Libby killing Shinan to prove her innocence was completely proposterious all along. If Scum Libby spied on Shinan on Night 1, she would have killed him on Night 1 already, instead of Night 2. There's no reason to believe she couldn't have spied first, then do the kill afterwards on the same Night 1. Therefore, putting forth this proposterous idea had the seondary effect of drawing out potential Scum who would support this theory to continue the sus between Dyluck and Libby.
author=psy_wombats
And I agree that that's /why/ she posted that, but "trying to appear towny on the brink of death" is a trait shared by both town and scum. I guess though yeah, reconsidering, it does make sense to both claim as spy and nk the doc because it makes the spy claim look 100% legit.
author=OzzyTheOne
As for spy being either a scum or town ability, I'm willing to believe it's a scum ability. Assuming scum only has one role, the spy would be perfect for them to discern who among town has roles in order to target for night kills, and also to find out who doesn't so they themselves can also narrow down the number of possible jokers, as they wouldn't want to lynch him either.
Psy seems more hesitant to believe it, although he specifically agreed with the part about the doc kill. Ozzy on the other hand, seems way too eager to support the idea.
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Now we come to our current situation. Libby is confirmed Spy because nobody contested this. She checked Psy, so he is Vanilla Something, or at least not a PR. Ozzy roleclaimed a so-called Priest. So none of them can be the unaccounted Alchemist. There are 3, call them Scum/Joker, for simplicity.
-From Psy's perspective, if Dyluck is Scum/Joker, then 1 of Eggbertx/Odd must be Alchemist and the other is the 2nd Scum/Joker. Then the 3rd and last Scum/Joker can only be Ozzy.
-From Ozzy's perspective, if Dyluck is Scum/Joker, then 1 of Eggbertx/Odd must be Alchemist and the other is the 2nd Scum/Joker. Then the 3rd and last Scum/Joker can only be Psy.
Yet, neither Psy nor Ozzy has brought this up. Could Psy and Ozzy both be Scum? Possibly but honestly I find it hard to believe, if only because Psy has been disecting Ozzy's roleclaim, and Ozzy did early vote Psy once.
If Psy is Town, he has made a long series of oversights which I kinda find hard to believe he would make these mistakes, inclduing the LYLO math, not needing Hammer to lynch, not realizing Joker can't be nightkilled, and now not using the missing Alchemist to draw conclusions about Ozzy. However, I do feel like Psy's posts have been honestly analyzing the situation and trying hard to find the Scum, so in the end, I believe Psy is still most likely Town.
Ozzy on the other hand, I would say he has not actually been contributing anything meaningful to finding the Scum. If you look at his posts carefully starting from early on, he appears to be active, but his posts tend to contain rhetorical questions and talking about other people's theories, and no real original analysis of his own. Notice that his most recent banter with Eggbertx is very superficial too. Therefore, I believe Ozzy is most likely Scum.
I guess there's an outside chance that maybe there was only 1 Scum to begin with, or that I'm wrong and it's neither Psy nor Ozzy. If the 1-Scum is Eggbertx, well unfortunately he hasn't chosen to post much for us to work with. If the 1-Scum is Odd and he decided to play like this, well then there's nothing we can do either.
Most likely I'd say it's Ozzy/Eggbertx, but the only thing is that Eggbertx voted Ozzy early Day 2, and didn't take it back even when the votes on Ozzy were starting to pile up.
I guess I could also be the 1-Scum myself and this is my most diabolical scheme ever =)
Also, notice the role cards of all the deceased. The alignment is highlighted blue, not the role.
However, Ozzy highlights the role instead of the alignment in his own claim. Yes, we cannot quote the PM directly anyways. But surely, this was just a poor imitation, because he only saw a red Mafia word on his own card.
author=AlaskanEmily
Shinan died during the night
They were a town aligned Doctor.
You are vanilla town. You win when all mafia are dead.
You are a town Private Eye. You win when all mafia are dead.
Each night, you may target one player. You will learn the name of their role. If that player is killed during the night, you will also die.
For the purposes of your ability, vanilla town, vanilla mafia, and the Joker will all appear as "vanilla".
However, Ozzy highlights the role instead of the alignment in his own claim. Yes, we cannot quote the PM directly anyways. But surely, this was just a poor imitation, because he only saw a red Mafia word on his own card.
author=OzzyTheOne
Also, if it helps disuade any votes against me, I am a town aligned priest.
I can't cast hammer vote or I instantly die. If I die by casting hammer vote, my role isn't revealed.
AlaskanEmily
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Current Votecount:
EggbertX: 1 (Liberty)
Dyluck: 1 (Ozzy)
Day 4 ends in 20 hours
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to hammer.
EggbertX: 1 (Liberty)
Dyluck: 1 (Ozzy)
Day 4 ends in 20 hours
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to hammer.
One more thing, about the Clint night kill.
There was no reason to kill Clint over Libby, even though the Spy ability is only mildly useful now. It would have been better to kill Libby to eliminate the Spy. Both Libby and Clint were already going to vote me, so there's no difference there. Then the only conclusion I can draw from this is that one of the Scum possibly has some kind of Watcher/Tracker type role that knows they got targeted by Clint. Or maybe the Spy Scum theory could really be... nah it can't be...
There was no reason to kill Clint over Libby, even though the Spy ability is only mildly useful now. It would have been better to kill Libby to eliminate the Spy. Both Libby and Clint were already going to vote me, so there's no difference there. Then the only conclusion I can draw from this is that one of the Scum possibly has some kind of Watcher/Tracker type role that knows they got targeted by Clint. Or maybe the Spy Scum theory could really be... nah it can't be...
First of all, and I must keep stressing this, the only reason I'm not as active as I should be is because of my current schedule. I should apologize for that, since I never expected to be so busy. I should've tried for a replacement Day 1.
Second, uh. I feel legit anger from Dyluck's post. I'm pretty willing to believe he's the Joker considering his argument, although yeah, it could be some big brain play or something.
Um, the part about Ozzy highlighting priest over town seems like nitpicking, though. I think it'd be pretty obvious that someone would highlight the name of the role in their post, since that's the part they're bringing the most attention to? You did it yourself with the super large caps joker claim in multiple colors, so... It seems like a stretch, I guess?
Second, uh. I feel legit anger from Dyluck's post. I'm pretty willing to believe he's the Joker considering his argument, although yeah, it could be some big brain play or something.
Um, the part about Ozzy highlighting priest over town seems like nitpicking, though. I think it'd be pretty obvious that someone would highlight the name of the role in their post, since that's the part they're bringing the most attention to? You did it yourself with the super large caps joker claim in multiple colors, so... It seems like a stretch, I guess?
