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Yes it is quite similar if you put it like that but not exactly. If I remember correctly the subforum that had all the games in it also had discussions.
Before you go continuing on, you might want to check http://rpgmaker.net/ and click on a game.
That is where you discuss the game...please browse RMN3 more.
edit: or do you mean discussions not related to the game?
This website is not really a site for advertising. It is a place for developers to host and work on their projects - this is basically our mission statement. It is not to spam forum topics(they were removed for a reason), which get the same or less in number of views as our game profiles anyway. I have some ancient games that I barely advertised that have far more views than the average forum topic tends to get.
If you don't put work into advertising your project beyond the normal 'post it at every RM* website you see' it will pretty much end up the same way as any other project, anyway. Keep that in mind.
If you don't put work into advertising your project beyond the normal 'post it at every RM* website you see' it will pretty much end up the same way as any other project, anyway. Keep that in mind.
post=100477Aw, only 2k3?
I will do my part to increase participation by vowing now to make an honest effort to play any Rm2k3 game that is released and doesn't look like complete ass at least long enough to review it (which I will also vow to do).
I kinda get what arcan is saying. Without sigs and forum topics for games, people who bypass the main site are never exposed to any advertising for people's projects (except for, like, the screenshot topic). And, yes, this is partially due to laziness and disinterest, but people who like to play games (but aren't actively seeking them out) have a much smaller chance of stumbling upon something they might like.
I don't know how big of a difference it makes, but it is an accurate observation.
post=100499post=100497Before you go continuing on, you might want to check http://rpgmaker.net/ and click on a game.
Yes it is quite similar if you put it like that but not exactly. If I remember correctly the subforum that had all the games in it also had discussions.
That is where you discuss the game...please browse RMN3 more.
edit: or do you mean discussions not related to the game?
Yes I have seen that before and I was indeed talking about non game related discussions.
Let me try to explain it a little better.. lets say you have two magazines, one about cars and one about games. You don't really like cars so you decide to read the one about games. While reading about games you happen to see an ad about a car that you now think is cool. So you decide to look at the other magazine now. If that car ad weren't there you would not bother to look in the car magazine.
Edit: Yes finally someone gets it. There was a noticeable in the number of games I played.
I have actually thought about removing most of the off-topic forums from this website, due to them not fitting at all into the design. This site is about game development, not working out, or your social life, or anything else that is not game development.
To respond to your magazine example, your example would fit better if you initially picked the car magazine. Why? Because you have already stated you have a small, passing interest in game development. Which means if you are coming here, you are reading the wrong magazine.
To respond to your magazine example, your example would fit better if you initially picked the car magazine. Why? Because you have already stated you have a small, passing interest in game development. Which means if you are coming here, you are reading the wrong magazine.
But like I said, this probably doesn't only apply to me. I said that I have an interest in playing games but how do you know what other people are thinking? Keep in mind that all my arguments are hypothetical and don't all necessary apply to me.
You want to remove off-topic forums? I'm sure you realize how bad that will affect the community. The people that stay will probably be more focused on their work but activity will drop significantly. So in the end its really about what the goal is here, to have more fun or to be more productive?
You want to remove off-topic forums? I'm sure you realize how bad that will affect the community. The people that stay will probably be more focused on their work but activity will drop significantly. So in the end its really about what the goal is here, to have more fun or to be more productive?
If the community is not making games, what are they doing on a game making website???
If you have an interest in playing games, why don't you click that giant link at the top that says games? It's super fast to find games on this site, yet you are complaining people can't post shitty game topics here?
If you have an interest in playing games, why don't you click that giant link at the top that says games? It's super fast to find games on this site, yet you are complaining people can't post shitty game topics here?
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If the community is not making games, what are they doing on a game making website???
If you have an interest in playing games, why don't you click that giant link at the top that says games? It's super fast to find games on this site, yet you are complaining people can't post shitty game topics here?
It's quite clear you don't have the slightest idea what I'm talking about. Everything I have posted was merely a suggestion to help solve the problem. But since almost nobody seems to get it, lets just drop the subject and continue on with the actual topic of the thread. I believe we were discussing how to get people that aren't interested in games to play them.
I know exactly what you are talking about. I cannot help you if you absolutely refuse to browse the rest of the site. You admitted earlier that you bookmarked the forums. Why do I have to try and compensate for you bookmarking a subset of the site and never venturing out of it?
You have a very shallow point which people have been trying to tell you for at least a page in this topic. What is the difference between a topic in a forum for someones game and a game in our database? Both of these "float" to the top when they are "replied" to.
You have a very shallow point which people have been trying to tell you for at least a page in this topic. What is the difference between a topic in a forum for someones game and a game in our database? Both of these "float" to the top when they are "replied" to.
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If the community is not making games, what are they doing on a game making website???
post=100569
I have actually thought about removing most of the off-topic forums from this website, due to them not fitting at all into the design. This site is about game development, not working out, or your social life, or anything else that is not game development.
While I agree with a lot of your points, the two above points are representative of a viewpoint I cannot bring myself to agree with. An extremist approach such as this won't really help anything, in fact it would hurt the community (which, is what keeps us all together as much as game development itself) more than anything.
Nah I think your full of it. I was trying to have a decent discussion but you were getting too emotionally invested in it. Besides, Halibalica seems to have a good understanding of what I was saying but I guess he's nobody.
Edit: I don't think he actually wanted to remove the forums. He was probably just pissed of due to my radical ideas and wanted to say something that would annoy me.
Edit: I don't think he actually wanted to remove the forums. He was probably just pissed of due to my radical ideas and wanted to say something that would annoy me.
No it wouldn't, Mog. That's why you are consistently wrong, most of your ideas are wrong, and continue to not understand why they are wrong.
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No it wouldn't, Mog. That's why you are consistently wrong, most of your ideas are wrong, and continue to not understand why they are wrong.
Then why haven't you done it yet? What has stopped you from implementing this idea? Why am I wrong? Instead of shouting something baseless like 'I am wrong', explain your reasoning.
I don't think allowing discussion on both a site's focus and other things are mutually exclusive and they never have been in any community oriented gathering ever.
S. F. LaValle
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While I agree with a lot of your points, the two above points are representative of a viewpoint I cannot bring myself to agree with. An extremist approach such as this won't really help anything, in fact it would hurt the community (which, is what keeps us all together as much as game development itself) more than anything.
Eh, right that it wouldn't improve anything (which is the only reason it hasn't been done yet), and wrong that it would hurt the community.
People can talk about games and silly stuff anywhere (including the underused #rpgmaker.net irc chat). The community is about game development, and people wouldn't stop discussing that just because they also couldn't say what they were thinking about a few minutes later.
I don't have the time and dedication to mold the site entirely into what it should be.
Your ideas on community are wrong because you don't realize what the community is supposed to be. Here's a great example of something terribly wrong:
Play Something.
Since when does an event have to be organized to get people to play games when that's what the community should be doing anyway? HEY GUYS ITS A SPECIAL OCCASION: DO WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING, YAY.
One of the reasons GW fell completely apart is because they forgot why they made the site. They put the spotlight on themselves. And guess what: it's not about a single person here. It's not about me, kentona, you, Loveless (HAR HAR CURRENT EVENTS PLUG) or anyone. It's about the things people create and for others to let them know about it.
Your ideas on community are wrong because you don't realize what the community is supposed to be. Here's a great example of something terribly wrong:
Play Something.
Since when does an event have to be organized to get people to play games when that's what the community should be doing anyway? HEY GUYS ITS A SPECIAL OCCASION: DO WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING, YAY.
One of the reasons GW fell completely apart is because they forgot why they made the site. They put the spotlight on themselves. And guess what: it's not about a single person here. It's not about me, kentona, you, Loveless (HAR HAR CURRENT EVENTS PLUG) or anyone. It's about the things people create and for others to let them know about it.
S. F. LaValle
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post=100729
Nah I think your full of it. I was trying to have a decent discussion but you were getting too emotionally invested in it. Besides, Halibalica seems to have a good understanding of what I was saying but I guess he's nobody.
Edit: I don't think he actually wanted to remove the forums. He was probably just pissed of due to my radical ideas and wanted to say something that would annoy me.
Whoa whoa whoa now, back it up.
First of all, you overestimate just how emotionally invested WIP is. There were very serious discussions about the possibility of removing the impertinent forums for a long time. You're giving yourself too much credit.
Second, the discussion isn't the problem. There was also twice as much discussion about removing the forums you mentioned some time ago, which many on this forum and in this discussion remember.
Sorry, but I have to side with WIP. If you're jumping straight to the forums to browse for games to play, then you're in the wrong place (probably because you've been trained by other amateur gaming sites where this is the norm, and used to be on RMN). We went over this thoroughly with the community before they were removed, and there were plenty of people making the same argument as you are now. Notice how many are on your side now? And no, Hali is most definitely not a "nobody," he is a pinnacle of community participation that we are proud to have on our team.
