ALASKANEMILY'S PROFILE

author=oddRABBIT
I... in no way directed Fomar to do anything. Please stop saying that. Anyways...

We should ignore Atiya and I for now. Probably lynch AlaskanEmily.

OK. OK. I see. I should probably say that I don't think there are any lycans in this game, and I will share why I think that.

I am a priest, and I think my role was to make good on the "can't be solved by massclaim" bit of the OP. My "ability" is that I cannot cast hammer, if I do I will be modkilled. I actually thought I was going to be modkilled here:

author=Muffle
Sorry the day is supposed to be 48 hours long, I don't know why I put 21 hours. I skipped a day in my head. Also I'm extending EOD to 6pm EST.

Also I did a dumb and when I miscounted and didn't put dudesoft for psy's lynch, AE's final psy vote would've technically hammered psy yesterday. Sigh, I'll double check all votes from now on. Just continue from here.

Muffle didn't count my hammer vote because I cannot hammer. I think she didn't modkill me only because the votecount was wrong. I left my vote where it was because I had kind of gotten away with it from the perspective of not being modkilled, and because I didn't want to get into a position where I was forced to refuse to hammer if I could avoid it.

Given that I am an unhelpful town role, I suspect that there are no lycans at all since that would give town multiple unhelpful roles. In fact, just us thinking that there are lycan(s) already would have fulfilled the purpose of making the seer seem unreliable. That makes me think that one of the lycans is lying sorceror, and the other is lying scum. I also still think that it's likely that Antiya is scum because of the N1 kill target.

Hmm, I don't understand why Psy was acting so weird about being sure Trihan was town now that he's flipped :S

author=Trihan
Honestly my money would be on either odd or Atiya being sorcerer and lying about being a lycan; I've been thinking about how having 2 lycans would affect the game, and from Fomar's perspective it would have been a nightmare. Having 2 non-scum players who would show scum when investigated would make seer incredibly unreliable. Would Muffle really cripple the role like that?

I find it incredibly unlikely there are two lycans. I could also believe one of them is lying scum, and the sorceror is just letting it roll.

Also the sorceror isn't just totally neutral. Even if they don't count towards the total scum, they count as a vote for lynches.

author=LockeZ

author=demonlord5000
You answered your own question. No lynch would of been really bad for town. Psy also had enough heat on him where scum could have just no lynched day 2, and then argued on day 3 that he has to be scum from how difficult it was to lynch him.

Not as bad as mislynching, dumb-dumb. Scum knew it was a mislynch and town didn't.

This is why we reallyed needed to lynch on D1, when we had more of a buffer until mylo/lylo. Like, this is why it's almost always good to lynch D1, this entire game is. And I agree, if we had nolynched yesterday we would probably still be debating Psy today.

Also I feel like LockeZ is only really turning up for the for the first time right now. He didn't cast a single vote all of D2, and so far has mostly spoken about about what we know and why we don't, and not given real reads. I still don't feel like he's said much other than he didn't think Psy was that scummy after the nolynch on D1.

This actually makes me wonder if it's an Antiya and LockeZ scum team, and LockeZ has just been mostly AFK in scumchat too. If it fell to Antiya who is new to the game to choose NK, That would explain why scum targeted claimed seer even though we do have a bodyguard.

author=AtiyaTheSeeker
And damn, makes sense that the lycan is meant to get the seer in hot water. I assumed lycan was closer to a town version of the sorcerer, meant to ping as the opposite side by a seer's visions.

I feel like you should understand this better if it's you're role... :/ The lycan is a false-positive for the seer, so that (had the seer survived) we couldn't have 100% trusted their results. It's a town role, but it makes the game harder for town.

author=demonlord5000
No lynch would have gave us no information again, and it also looked like we had no bodyguard. If no lynch happened it could have potentially been us down a mason on day 3 with no information and major suspicions on why psy didn't die. I'd argue a no lynch could of been worse for us.

Yes, this. Nolynch is generally not good when we don't know that much. And it's almost never good D1, despite what some people argued :V

author=Trihan
The real question mark on that one would be: if odd isn't a lycan, why did he ask Muffle whether lycan would know they were one or not? There wasn't anything going on at that point to warrant asking that question if it wasn't for personal use.

I think I missed the part where Odd specifically asked Muffle about it. That doesn't seem like an open question otherwise. If the claim is real, then he knew it from the role. If the claim is fake, he would have asked Muffle to know if the claim was safe enough to fake.

At this point I really think that either Odd or Antiya are the sorceror. I find it unlikely there are two lycans.

author=demonlord5000
Also worth noting that lockez has talked a lot about the information we have, but hasn't really said anything on who he thinks scum might be. In fact, his only lynch vote was in the very post made he made this game. Anyone else think he might be flying under the radar?

That is a good point, he has been mostly talking mechanics and just what we know so far. Which is...questionable.

author=psy_wombats
I'd say a miller generally knows they're a miller. But, it's a good point that Odd would have to confirm that via asking the mod first, and I don't think that's likely.

Why not? I don't see why that couldn't be a play, especially since we did have a seer and (we thought?) a bodyguard initially. Odd did have some heat on him, that doesn't sound completely impossible.

Nolynch followed by basically confirmed town NK is not very helpful :/

Honestly I'm not happy with Fomar or Psy for not changing votes to get a lynch. I also find Muffle's vote count just before EOD to be...suspicious, I see Fomar on there twice and no Jeroen, can we get an updated one?

I do think the "I'm not willing to lynch Trihan" thing is kinda crap. It kind of looks to me like Psy was trying to buddy up to Trihan here:

author=psy_wombats
Also no-kill wouldn't be bad today (would prefer it to Trihan dying). We have an even number of players, a seer in the open, and presumably a bodyguard, soo

author=psy_wombats
Yeah I'm not willing to kill Trihan, would rather nokill. One of the Trihan voters has to be around to make anything else work.

I don't know if this is Psy just protecting scumbuddy, or he felt like the heat was on and he want to get Trihan in with him. I don't see how avoiding a lynch on someone who is /not/ confirmed town, to the point that you think nolynch is better, is a towny thing to do either way.

#lynch Psy

author=LockeZ
Hmm, he really was the seer then.

Sorry for not being around the entire last 24 hours of day one. I am apparently incapable of understanding the concept of time.

I actually think no-lynching on day one was a good call. Like psy said, there were an even number of people. Losing one player is only a big deal because they were the seer. It doesn't actually bring us any more days closer to the end of the game. We lose on day five when it's 1v2 instead of 2v2, now. Or on day six when it's 0v1 instead of 1v1. But on the same day as before. It's not ideal but it's better than mislynching. And with 7 unknown players and no real leads, we probably would have mislynched.

And I think we do have more info today.

I'm not sure why anyone thinks psy is "to blame" for day one being a nolynch since we were three votes short of a lynch, and the top two targets were tied, and he was voting for one of those two targets. That blame feels really suspicious to me. Like it's intentionally creating a false narrative in order to try to create an early train against someone.

What information do we have? I mean I guess we confirmed Fomar was seer, but was that really in doubt?

I didn't notice that the roles were not mod-confirmed either :X

I also don't know what to think of Odd's claims. I kinda ignored the sorceror claim because I just assume anyone openly claiming a scum-aligned role early D1 is making a joke. I also felt like his "Oh, the lycan knows who they are" could just be to make the claim seem more convincing and he might actually be scum.

I wouldn't be opposed to an Odd lynch, since I am leaning towards him being lycan, sorceror, or scum. It's possible that he is being earnest about investigating him being pointless, but even if he is the lycan, wouldn't it be better for to flip the lycan earlier rather than later?

author=Fomar0153
I double checked with Muffle, the lycan knows who they are. I'm still not 100% convinced but no one has counter claimed lycan.

Hmm...I guess we can trust this, since any of us can ask the same thing and will presumably get the same answer.

author=demonlord5000
I see a contradiction in fomars post. He said it makes no sense for scum to want to lynch the lycan (I wasn't even considering odd might be the lycan at the time). He said the only reason I might want to is if I were the lycan (in which case I'd be town with a bad role). He then said he wanted to lynch me.

See the contradiction? I could get behind a fomar vote today now too.

I don't agree with this logic at all. Fomar said that it seems unlikely that you are the lycan, since he expected a different response to Odd if you were.

I do find Fomar's vote to be pretty opportunistic though.