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American Exceptionalism: I drank the kool-aid. Did you?
author=ChaosProductions link=topic=2433.msg44684#msg44684 date=1226893245
I canstand any insults to the country. I get mad and worked up whenever I see a flag flown improperly. Is this good or bad?
This is scary nationalism, for the record.
Relations with The Gender of Your Preference
In high school there was many chances I could've asked a girls I liked out, and I never did. Most probably would've said no, but at the ripe old age or 24 I tell myself: I didn't even fucking try, there's no right to complain about anything. After I realized that it's easy to talk to girls, and that asking girls out isn't a big deal (far too late in life: after high school), I kicked myself for not having balls in high school.
I can no longer find what's so embarrassing in the comment "I'm interested in you, wanna get dinner?" although in high school it seemed like social suicide for some reason. Stupid me. What a waste of high school.
So to people in high school, it's better to fall flat on your face than never try. I guess people outside of high school as well. I guess it's just more obvious once you're out of high school.
I can no longer find what's so embarrassing in the comment "I'm interested in you, wanna get dinner?" although in high school it seemed like social suicide for some reason. Stupid me. What a waste of high school.
So to people in high school, it's better to fall flat on your face than never try. I guess people outside of high school as well. I guess it's just more obvious once you're out of high school.
What character do you choose
I pick the evil demon or the short dwarf. The magic girl is also kind of cool. The fire alien guy is overrated though, and the hero dude just sucks. fuck valsu aswell.
American Exceptionalism: I drank the kool-aid. Did you?
The only reason I qualified my post was because I was accused of being a first year poli-sci major, and I wanted to state that I have some credibility so belittling me as opposed to replying to what I'm saying isn't appreciated.
I think about what you wrote and reply in the future. It was a good read.
I think about what you wrote and reply in the future. It was a good read.
American Exceptionalism: I drank the kool-aid. Did you?
I'm really not sure of the relation between superpower (which America is) and best country. I don't see a link. The USSR wasn't the second best country during the cold war.
I'm also not sure of this idea of America policing the world. What conflict did America lead the way in that wasn't done purely to benefit themselves? Or are we including NATO and UN peacekeeping missions? When did America police the world above other countries?
I like this discussion and think it's pretty civil. I'm really curious about Harmonic and Holbert's opinion's especially, but only because I really liked their responses. I'm sure others have equally interesting opinions.
I'm also not sure of this idea of America policing the world. What conflict did America lead the way in that wasn't done purely to benefit themselves? Or are we including NATO and UN peacekeeping missions? When did America police the world above other countries?
I like this discussion and think it's pretty civil. I'm really curious about Harmonic and Holbert's opinion's especially, but only because I really liked their responses. I'm sure others have equally interesting opinions.
American Exceptionalism: I drank the kool-aid. Did you?
For the record I've got my BA in Sociology with a focus in social theory, and am fairly well travelled. I'm not an ignorant first year student, nor a bitter Canadian. I'm one who's against what I consider elitist nationalism, and would like to know how people who seem very intelligent and well informed about a wide variety of issues believe that it's a viable way to think, because I can't comprehend it, and would like to understand the way of thinking.
American Exceptionalism: I drank the kool-aid. Did you?
It's true my knowledge on America isn't too thorough, but I thought the electoral college system was because when the American democracy started, calculating a popular vote would be too difficult, and so they used the electoral college system (and technically, the electoral colleges can vote against the people's wishes). I also can't see anything in the "it helps rural areas have a voice" argument, because it you look at states like Missouri in the 2008 election, it was directly urban vs. rural and due to the electoral college system, about 50% of Missouri's voters won't matter. If it was a popular vote then their votes would still be of worth.
Harmonic: Comparing the America's superpower status with any other empire is flawed due to how globalized the world is today. In colonial times, Empires didn't meddle in other Empires affairs. The realm of influence was within their Empires.
To argue America was needed for WW2's victory I can see. As it is to argue that Britian was needed for WW2's victory and the Soviet's were needed for WW2's victory. I'd argue that the Allies would've been most handicapped if the Soviet's hadn't entered the war. The Soviet's lack of compassion for their soldiers isn't a factor in this equation. America didn't "save Britain's ass". Again, the Battle of Britain was over. American supplies did help, but one usually doesn't call the munitions supplier the hero of a war.
America did more or less single handedly defeat Japan. What impact the Soviet's could've had I don't know.
Holbert: I'd like more explaination of this line you wrote: "The Soviet Union was battered and was entirely ineffective until the Germans had to look westward."
By social programs I mean things such as public health care, heavily subsidized university for everyone, an adequate welfare system, etc. I'm not sure what America has in this regards, so if there are amazing things, and health and educate aren't ridiculously overpriced, then maybe I'm wrong.
I totally support national pride. Be proud of your country, traditions, history and whatnot. That's all great. The problem is when pride turns to comparing your culture with others and wanting to state that yours is best. The audacity of the statement "Our country is the best" is amazing. What arrogance! What does someone base this one? It's obviously not non-American's opinions. Maybe based on American standards it's the best, but then the statement is meaningless. What is the deal with wanting to rank it? To be proud is great, to think one is better is not. The concept seems to be something of pre-WW1 Europe, and that is only still around in America, Japan and China.
edit: ug, this reply is so scattered. I should just write an essay on my thoughts of something. And American isolationism would be horrible for everyone.
Harmonic: Comparing the America's superpower status with any other empire is flawed due to how globalized the world is today. In colonial times, Empires didn't meddle in other Empires affairs. The realm of influence was within their Empires.
To argue America was needed for WW2's victory I can see. As it is to argue that Britian was needed for WW2's victory and the Soviet's were needed for WW2's victory. I'd argue that the Allies would've been most handicapped if the Soviet's hadn't entered the war. The Soviet's lack of compassion for their soldiers isn't a factor in this equation. America didn't "save Britain's ass". Again, the Battle of Britain was over. American supplies did help, but one usually doesn't call the munitions supplier the hero of a war.
America did more or less single handedly defeat Japan. What impact the Soviet's could've had I don't know.
Holbert: I'd like more explaination of this line you wrote: "The Soviet Union was battered and was entirely ineffective until the Germans had to look westward."
By social programs I mean things such as public health care, heavily subsidized university for everyone, an adequate welfare system, etc. I'm not sure what America has in this regards, so if there are amazing things, and health and educate aren't ridiculously overpriced, then maybe I'm wrong.
I totally support national pride. Be proud of your country, traditions, history and whatnot. That's all great. The problem is when pride turns to comparing your culture with others and wanting to state that yours is best. The audacity of the statement "Our country is the best" is amazing. What arrogance! What does someone base this one? It's obviously not non-American's opinions. Maybe based on American standards it's the best, but then the statement is meaningless. What is the deal with wanting to rank it? To be proud is great, to think one is better is not. The concept seems to be something of pre-WW1 Europe, and that is only still around in America, Japan and China.
edit: ug, this reply is so scattered. I should just write an essay on my thoughts of something. And American isolationism would be horrible for everyone.
American Exceptionalism: I drank the kool-aid. Did you?
You seem well versed in the achievements of other countries, and I'm not sure what you're saying Americas are. America didn't win the European theatre of World War II. The Battle of Britain was over by the time they entered the war, and the Soviet's were the main reason the Germans lost (as they poured 2/3's of their troops into the eastern front).
The Korean War was upholding a dictatorship (edit: after reading wiki, it appears this isn't true. I wonder why I thought that...), the Vietnam war was a joke. Support of regimes in Latin America in the 80's was horrific. etc. etc. etc. All wars were fought for US interest and not some global policing in the name of humanity.
Anyways, isn't Britain the obvious answer for oldest democracy? Wasn't American independence about lack of representation in the British parliament (much like American colonies today don't have representation in Congress (this is a guess, I'm not sure if it's right)?). America is the oldest presidential democracy I would say. Is the argument against this about the English civil war?
I do agree with you that America was a better option than Mao and Stalin. But I mean, that's not really a compliment. They were both arguably worse than Hitler.
And if America was once fine and went downhill, it was with Reagan, and not Bush.
Sorry, I wrote quite a bit and it's all scattered.
The Korean War was upholding a dictatorship (edit: after reading wiki, it appears this isn't true. I wonder why I thought that...), the Vietnam war was a joke. Support of regimes in Latin America in the 80's was horrific. etc. etc. etc. All wars were fought for US interest and not some global policing in the name of humanity.
Anyways, isn't Britain the obvious answer for oldest democracy? Wasn't American independence about lack of representation in the British parliament (much like American colonies today don't have representation in Congress (this is a guess, I'm not sure if it's right)?). America is the oldest presidential democracy I would say. Is the argument against this about the English civil war?
I do agree with you that America was a better option than Mao and Stalin. But I mean, that's not really a compliment. They were both arguably worse than Hitler.
And if America was once fine and went downhill, it was with Reagan, and not Bush.
Sorry, I wrote quite a bit and it's all scattered.
Questions you always wanted to ask other members, but felt too lazy or awkward to do so.
Favorites Songs from Bands/Artists
author=Max McGee link=topic=2327.msg43271#msg43271 date=1226516042
Wow I guess they have really different music in Canadialand. I don't think I've actually heard even one of those songs, Canuck.
It's just music that's not really popular outside certain circles I guess. Fugazi sold about 200,000 copies per release with never using the mainstream media, which is a cool feet. Bomb the Music Industry! don't sell their music (except for one LP) and can be downloaded for free off their site. Propagandhi is usually considered the most credible somewhat popular political punk band out there. The Weakerthans are led by John K Samson, who I think is the best songwriter ever, and Belle and Sebastian are just a nice calm pop band from Scotland who're fairly big I think.
I heartily recommend all of it a listen or two.
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