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author=wildwes
Sooooooooo... any advice for a beginning flute player (and when I say beginning I mean I've only had it for three days)? Like I'm looking at tutorials on how to play this thing and they help but jesus this thing is hard. Getting it to produce sound is hard, I mean, I know how I'm supposed to blow into it, but actually finding that sweet spot (as some people call it apparently) is proving difficult. I can't quite position myself in a way that gets it to make sound and when I DO find that spot I forget where that spot is. It's annoying how I have to position myself EXACTLY right or else no sound comes out. And if I'm one millimeter off it doesn't do anything. How do flute players manage to just put it up to their lips and start playing??? Oh, and also I've noticed that I run out of breath RIDICULOUSLY quickly and sometimes I even get a bit light-headed. I've been told I need to stand up straight and allow plenty of space for my lungs to expand so I have plenty of air, and I try that but it doesn't help much...
Maybe I'm just impatient and I need to practice a WHOLE lot more just to be able to consistently get it to produce sound, but all this is still really irritating me. :/ jeez the ocarina was so much easier compared to this monstrosity...
You got lucky, my parents are musicians. I started fairly recently, since I had to take a break, but I'm getting along quite well apparantly.
One tip in general - the first lesssons are always, always, alwaaays the most important. Which is why learning by yourself can lead to some very bad habits if you don't know how to do it.
First of all - you can't just blow in there randomly. Otherwise you'll just screw up. The trick is to blow a certain sound, so your tongue comes from the top of the mouth down in a fast motion, creating a stream.
Gosh, I just know the German equivalent "düh" .. what comes close ..
Anyway, try different d-sounds. If you know even rometly how "dü, düh" is pronounced, go try that. If you concentrate on the tongue, it'll go down with the d and drop relatively low. That's what you wanna have.
The lips do not play a major part for wooden instruments. They are very important for metal ones (trumpets and so). Nor does your mouth positioning - you don't want to eat the mouthpiece, and you need to be able to keep it on your mouth - so the best option is the most comfortable one, usually.
Clarinets or so could play a little bit different, but I didn't inquire about that .. would be quite interesting to know though
That is probably also the reason you run out of breath fast - do not try to force sounds by blowing more air! That can even harm the instrument. You will need to create a stronger stream for high-pitched sounds and overblowing, but that is something you produce with throat muscles (you should feel it there), not with more air. More pressure is the key.
Now, I don't know what kind of flute you're playing, but the very high and very low sounds are harder to do than those in the middle range. Although the deepest ones aren't that hard, either.
For the lower ones (covering all holes) - low pressure, little air. Try gently until you get there.
For highpitched ones - high pressure, little to a little more air (again, never try to force them by blowing more).
Overblowing is a huge step in difficulty and pressure, which is why it has its own term. Overblowing means you uncover (or partly uncover) the hole(s) on the back which you keep closed for all lower sounds.
And for higher ones - many flutes (yep, the flutes themselves too) need some time and practice until you can get there. Each tone requires a little bit different blowing (especially high-pitched ones), which is why you should train them one after another. Stay in the medium range and then build your way up - add a higher one, train it until it comes along firmly and easily, then go to the next.
When going to higher ones, it can help to start with the tone below it, then keep blowing while you change the finger positions, then hold the tone.
I don't know which kind of flute you're using, so that's all I can give you on the way. It sounds complicated, but it really is easier than it sounds, trust me. Just be gentle to the instrument and keep practicing. Do you have a beginners book or so?
If they're good, they'd say the same things (although very few do that), but they all give you songs to practice which start out in the medium range of your flute.
It's funny, though. I kinda had a harder time with an ocarina, but perhaps mainly because it was a rotten cheap plastic one. Got it right off the bat with my alto-flute, except the highpitched ones, of course.
Wow, Kylaila, thanks for the advice! I should note that I AM using a (metal, not wooden) western concert flute, if that helps any.
I have no idea what "düh" is supposed to sound like, but does it sound like the word do or duh? I'm guessing it's at least similar to one of those? Maybe it sounds like "dah"? I'll try doing each of those and see which one works I guess.
I don't have a book or anything, but I was thinking about going to a nearby book store and looking around for one. Perhaps I WILL do that, actually...
I'm not surprised you had a harder time with a plastic ocarina, the cheap ones tend to suck. I started out with a ceramic one, and in my experience with it and some other ceramic ocarinas I've had, they are most definitely better than plastic ones. Granted, they aren't ALL bad. A decent plastic ocarina can sound pretty good. (though it should be noted that the really high notes are harder to get right on the plastic ones. hell, they can be difficult on regular old clay ones. >.>)
Really, thanks for the advice, all of you!
I have no idea what "düh" is supposed to sound like, but does it sound like the word do or duh? I'm guessing it's at least similar to one of those? Maybe it sounds like "dah"? I'll try doing each of those and see which one works I guess.
I don't have a book or anything, but I was thinking about going to a nearby book store and looking around for one. Perhaps I WILL do that, actually...
I'm not surprised you had a harder time with a plastic ocarina, the cheap ones tend to suck. I started out with a ceramic one, and in my experience with it and some other ceramic ocarinas I've had, they are most definitely better than plastic ones. Granted, they aren't ALL bad. A decent plastic ocarina can sound pretty good. (though it should be noted that the really high notes are harder to get right on the plastic ones. hell, they can be difficult on regular old clay ones. >.>)
Really, thanks for the advice, all of you!
Ah I see. I unfortunately do not know much about them, but I can go ask for tips.
Good luck to you ;)
And yeah, they probably can, but you feel and hear the quality. Might want to buy a good one some of these days, but I didn't plan on seriously getting to it anyway, so I felt it would be wasted.
Good luck to you ;)
And yeah, they probably can, but you feel and hear the quality. Might want to buy a good one some of these days, but I didn't plan on seriously getting to it anyway, so I felt it would be wasted.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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I'm 18 today. Ushered into a world of taxpayers and voting rights. I don't have a job though, and all elections this year have passed already, so I'm not sure if I should consider it a big deal or not...
This thread can't just be all about arguments and music advice. Have some crossover.
Happa 18th Jeroen!
i try to keep up with this topic but it is near impossible
some people are already resuming education in north american public high schools, but i still have 3 weeks left of summer break, as it should be.
some people are already resuming education in north american public high schools, but i still have 3 weeks left of summer break, as it should be.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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author=wildwesThis thread can't just be all about arguments and music advice. Have some crossover.
Happa 18th Jeroen!how about setting up another mafia game to celebrateMay you receive many cakes and presents and such!
That gif is the absolute best thing ever.
Also, thanks! I'm actually working on another mafia right now, I thought I couldn't give the GoT the feel I wanted it to have, so I'm now preparing a world heavily inspired by GoT, with much backstory. I'm actually writing a short story about it, but I'm going to let what happens reflect the outcome of the mafia game after it's done. I hope it's going to be epic But I know for a fact that PlatinumAshes is also preparing one, so we'll see that one before mine.
EDIT: The mafia game is actually going to have multiple factions, so it's going to be highly experimental. I hope it'll work. If it does, the game is going to be A Clash of Kings to remember. :)
Happy Birthday Jeroen, remember to update your stats in the Birthday character thread.
Welcome to adulthood, you can leave anytime you like, it's not a lot of fun there.
Welcome to adulthood, you can leave anytime you like, it's not a lot of fun there.
There's no major difference, really. But you should start to actually get somewhere, so that's not bad. Except everything else about it, of course : D
Nah, really, congratz!
Nah, really, congratz!
WOW, Jeroen, your stats are going to soar, well maybe not soar...it will be a while before you can demolish me :)
Have a great day and I hope your presents are numerous.
Have a great day and I hope your presents are numerous.
hapbirth! you're now of age to participate in the glorious workers' revolution, should you find that their cause is your cause as well.
♪ Er is er één jarig, hoera, hoera... ♪
Happy birthday, Jeroen! Say goodbye to your childhood and enter the world where you are considered an "adult".
That doesn't mean you can't simply still act like a child whenever you want, though. Enjoy!
Happy birthday, Jeroen! Say goodbye to your childhood and enter the world where you are considered an "adult".
That doesn't mean you can't simply still act like a child whenever you want, though. Enjoy!
You are...
My fiiiire.
The one...
Desiiiire.
Believe...
When IIIII say.
IIIII waaant it, thaaat-eh way.
My fiiiire.
The one...
Desiiiire.
Believe...
When IIIII say.
IIIII waaant it, thaaat-eh way.
author=wildwes
Well, when I said positioning I meant the position of my lips. I just can't quite get it right, when I do produce a sound it seems too... uh, windy or breathy, I suppose you could say. I've only managed to get a very clear, good sound like, two or three times so far.
As for breathing, I really do try to do that, but my body just seems to find abdominal breathing more difficult. Possibly because I'm more used to taking shallower breaths? I suppose I could do some breathing exercises...
Well, the western concert flute is a lot more difficult than recorder when it comes to the blowing. You have to blow half into the mouthpiece and the other half outside. You pretty much roll the instrument at your mouth, if that makes any sense, which also allows the flute to stay in place.
It'll probably take a while to get it right. Will probably require more breath, but the blowing technique for recorder should apply as well. They save you a lot of trouble and energy to play longer notes. I can't give you any more detailed tips for them, though. Sorry.
Breathing excercises wouldn't hurt, of course. Remember to breath through the stomach if you don't do that already.
author=mawkThe album just isn't memorable to me outside of a handful of tracks...whereas each track in Stereotype A stands out in its own little way. I guess my problem isn't with the overall sound as much as a lot of the album sounding, well, samey. With regards to the lyrics...I've never been a fan of concept albums, but they are okay I guess.
I will say that Mfn is no Birthday Cake, and Deja Vu isn't quite Sugar Water, but it's been twenty years and I don't feel fair comparing the two like that. it's a damn fine album, and it's fit particularly well with something I'm puzzling out right now, and so I'm happy with it.
My life feels like a bit of a mess at the moment.
- Not happy about my future job anymore as it's a far-cry from what I imagined I'd get into when I started University
- The girl on my course who I used to like keeps FB messaging me and constant "what-if" scenarios keep playing in my head. I don't know why it's so hard for me to accept it was never gonna happen, and it all seems so dumb. Like, why do I even care? :<
- STILL keep thinking about death for some screwed up reason
Ugh. Well, here's hoping it all gets better.
Also, happy 18th birthday Jeroen!
I totally getcha, Yellow. That all sounds pretty normal for people of our generation, like "I've just graduated college, I'm entering the next phase of my life, getting a full-time job... now what?"
At least, that's definitely how I felt. When I graduated, I was torn between pursuing a dream of being self-employed, or pursuing a set of realistic goals such as "pay off my student loans". I ended up living with my parents and doing freelance programming for a couple years, while keeping up creative work like game-making and art on the side, when I could. I didn't make crap for money, but I ended up getting some experience that got me a decent job, and I made some neat games and learned a lot about what I wanted to do, so that was kinda nice? But maybe I should be, like, getting a real job, taking out a car loan and mortgage, settling down, and forgetting about the indie game crap?
Getting older is weird! I'm 25 now and I feel a bit "behind the curve", especially when I compare myself to artists and gamedevs of the younger generation. But at the same time, I've started to realize that even if I have a full-time job now, that doesn't mean I have to give up on dreams of self-employment, or indie game-making - it's just something I have to work toward slowly. My greatest fear, for a very long time, was waking up at the age of 45 and realize I'd spent half my life doing nothing that makes me happy, and being dug in too deep to change trajectory.
Anyway, at the very least, if you're aware of it now, you can figure out how to reach the things you want to do! Changing course is tricky and gets trickier when you get older, but I've found it tends to be more possible than at first glance.
Sorry if that was a bit verbose; those kinds of things used to haunt me all the time (and still do sometimes) :P
At least, that's definitely how I felt. When I graduated, I was torn between pursuing a dream of being self-employed, or pursuing a set of realistic goals such as "pay off my student loans". I ended up living with my parents and doing freelance programming for a couple years, while keeping up creative work like game-making and art on the side, when I could. I didn't make crap for money, but I ended up getting some experience that got me a decent job, and I made some neat games and learned a lot about what I wanted to do, so that was kinda nice? But maybe I should be, like, getting a real job, taking out a car loan and mortgage, settling down, and forgetting about the indie game crap?
Getting older is weird! I'm 25 now and I feel a bit "behind the curve", especially when I compare myself to artists and gamedevs of the younger generation. But at the same time, I've started to realize that even if I have a full-time job now, that doesn't mean I have to give up on dreams of self-employment, or indie game-making - it's just something I have to work toward slowly. My greatest fear, for a very long time, was waking up at the age of 45 and realize I'd spent half my life doing nothing that makes me happy, and being dug in too deep to change trajectory.
Anyway, at the very least, if you're aware of it now, you can figure out how to reach the things you want to do! Changing course is tricky and gets trickier when you get older, but I've found it tends to be more possible than at first glance.
Sorry if that was a bit verbose; those kinds of things used to haunt me all the time (and still do sometimes) :P





















