SOOO... GAMERGATE

Sssoooo apparently a porn star came out in support of GG



This was also apparently set up a few days ago: https://twitter.com/GamerGateStream/status/527895507650093056

Whell then.. That happened

EDIT: in the hide tags it goes

I've tried to do research on the issue but it's become increasingly hard. I don't know if it's about journalism or gender or politics or whatever. Everyone seems to have their own take on what it's about and twist it into whatever suits them, kind of like what happened to Occupy.

I sympathize with GamerGate in the way that I'm all for ethical reporting, but I hold no grudge against feminists or anything, no matter how fanatical. It doesn't hurt my feelings if someone's thinks I'm a potential rapist just because I'm male. You're free to think whatever you like.

I don't know how you brought Conservatism versus Liberalism into this conversation. The only conclusion I can draw is that you believe Gamer Gate to be a Conservative movement. Except that isn't the reality, now is it?

They actually tested themselves on that, too..

We've expended the conversation for all it is worth.

I'd say we've expended the conversation currently as the shitfest isn't quite over yet. There's ample opportunity for something else to pop up


EDIT:

Also, apparently GG isn't even a new hashtag.. It goes back as early as 2012 and apparently there's quite a few similarities between the current one and that one

author=DarklordKeinor
I don't know how you brought Conservatism versus Liberalism into this conversation. The only conclusion I can draw is that you believe Gamer Gate to be a Conservative movement. Except that isn't the reality, now is it?

This. There is overwhelming evidence that liberalism vs conservatism has almost no bearing on GamerGate. Most of the most powerful voices on the GG side are very prominent atheist/liberal figures who rail against the typical liberal targets (Fox news, religion etc) as a central component of their brand.

I can only conclude that the "gamergate = conservative" myth is just another attempt to discredit gamergaters as being right wing nuts, or whatever. Anything to avoid the subject matter and attack the individual.

some say the genocide of the elves using a giant death laser was a bad thing. others, namely, the dwarves, find this act delightful. Who is right? Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Love and hate....two sides of the same potch...-Luca Blight

author=Liberty
except when the politics are part of the game.

I'm curious; does such a game exist?

author=emmych

author=Solitayre
That GGers and those like them are so angered by a woman having an opinion says more about them than I ever could.

To anyone who doubts the accuracy of this statement: go read Felicia Day's response to Gamergate, and then remember that, after releasing that gentle as fuck statement, someone released her home address so people could terrorize and stalk her. That is why people get doxxed: it is a power play to tell someone "I could come over whenever I want and there's nothing you can do about it", only multiplying it by a lot.

Felicia Day is pretty much the Queen of Nerds, a well-known gamer, and from what I've heard is pretty much the nicest person ever.

Her crime against GG? She said the movement frightened her.

GG's response to Felicia Day saying GG scared her was to attack and threaten and harass her.

GamerGate; attacking scared women who don't know their place.

But remember; it's really about ethics in game journalism.

This is goddamn nauseating.

author=TehGuy

author=Liberty
except when the politics are part of the game.

I'm curious; does such a game exist?

Lots and lots of games involving poltics exist, including some I've made/am making/will make. Heck, here's one by the guy who made DwarfFortress.

author=Solitayre
Trying to label Anita Sarkeesian as a "radical feminist" is so laughably detached from anything resembling reality it's hard to take seriously.

Sarkeesoid may or may not be a radfem, I don't know enough about the taxonomy of fembots to make that call. I can say with certainty that whatever brand of feminism she represents, I despise, and that it obviously has mutated a lot from basic, egalitarian, humanist feminism to something grotesquely toxic.

author=Solitayre
There are certainly legitimate criticisms of Tropes vs Women, but those criticisms are not "Anita should not be allowed to have or express her opinions."

That GGers and those like them are so angered by a woman having an opinion says more about them than I ever could.

I'm not angry that she has her horribly, stupidly, mind-blowingly wrong opinions. She has the right to have and express her horribly, stupidly, mind-blowingly wrong opinions.

I am angry that those opinions are being taken seriously by the ignorant among the mainstream media as though they had one fucking iota of legitimacy and weren't total unmitigated bullshit. And it really does remind me of Jack "Murder Simulator" Thompson.

author=Solitayre
The fact that GamerGate even exists demonstrates exactly why we need people like Sarkeesian to shut the fuck up.

Fixed that for you.

author=harmonic
The things she says would be just as disagreeable to me if she was male, female, both, neither, or whatever the hell other configurations of demographic is out there.

This. Like back when she was male, I really didn't agree with her either.

author=Corfaisus
Conservatism really is all about the fear of having to think, isn't it?

I'm not sure...as a liberal, I'd say it's probably more fundamentally about fear of change. But I honestly don't know. Or see how it's relevant.

author=emmych

author=Solitayre
That GGers and those like them are so angered by a woman having an opinion says more about them than I ever could.

To anyone who doubts the accuracy of this statement: go read Felicia Day's response to Gamergate, and then remember that, after releasing that gentle as fuck statement, someone released her home address so people could terrorize and stalk her. That is why people get doxxed: it is a power play to tell someone "I could come over whenever I want and there's nothing you can do about it", only multiplying it by a lot.

I've read that. The people who terrorized her were absolutely and completely wrong. But it is possible...possible...that judging all of #GamerGate by those horrible scumbags is comparable to judging all of feminism by these repulsive monsters.

author=emmych
There are perhaps some people who are for ethics in games journalism who have hung their hat on Gamergate, but Gamergate itself is and always will be about hating women.

You say "the individuals that doxxed Felicia Day are disgusting pieces of shit and their behavior was inexcusable" then you'll get absolutely no pushback from me. But when you put that inexcusable action on ALL OF GAMERGATE broadly, well...are you willing to apply the same logic (the actions of the worst associated actors define the movement) to any movement i.e. feminism? Are you willing to say that because of all of the horrible things I can point out feminists having done and said, that feminism is and will always be about hating men?

So you really have to decide if, broadly speaking, "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" thinking is something that is always problematic, or is something that is broadly applicable to any movement.

That's what this comes down to.

CAN YOU DEFINE A MOVEMENT SOLELY BY ITS WORST VISIBLE ACTORS, OR CAN'T YOU?

author=DarklordKeinor
"And they will never be happy. If you don’t have a gay character in your game, you are homophobic, if you do have gay character in your game, you are homophobic, because they don’t like the character. If women in your game look good, you are sexist, if they look bad, you are sexist, if you can fight with them, you are misogynistic, if you can’t fight with them, you are using them as objects, if you don’t have any women, because there is no correct way how to have them, you are misogynistic.

It’s a witch hunt and it’s affecting my artistic freedom."
- Daniel Vavra, Designer of the Mafia Series

That is complete bullshit.

Let's start with the gay character part. This is flat out false. I have followed a couple of videogames during development and it's very rare that people complain about the lack of gay characters. Sometimes a topic pops up where the OP requests mare gay characters, but that's usually it.

As far as people complaining about female characters goes, usually the more people complain, the more there also is to complain about. It's not always the case, sometimes a game ends up taking more fire than other games due to chance, but usually when a game receives a lot of flak, it's for a reason.

If he says there's no correct way to use female characters, that means he haven't figured out a correct way to use them and nothing else.