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WAS ANYONE ELSE HERE DISAPPOINTED WITH FF 6?
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Closeauthor=Sailerius
It's just a generic RPG that checks every box for the features you need to include in a SNES RPG.
See though, before FF6 there were no check boxes.
A lot of the tropes and features you needed for an SNES RPG were codified by FF6. There is a reason every game that came after it copied so liberally from it.
Sorry y'all but this is the best snes music track. It's such a grand fucking slam everybody else might as well be picking their noses for all the good it does.
Doom Castle is the best FF music track on the SNES too.
Doom Castle is the best FF music track on the SNES too.
author=Solitayreauthor=SaileriusSee though, before FF6 there were no check boxes.
It's just a generic RPG that checks every box for the features you need to include in a SNES RPG.
A lot of the tropes and features you needed for an SNES RPG were codified by FF6. There is a reason every game that came after it copied so liberally from it.
Certainly, I can respect it as a product of its time, but it just doesn't stand up to the standards of 2015. It's not even one of the better Final Fantasies, let alone all RPGs ever.
author=Liberty
Tago, don't poke the bear.
Also, you do come off as trolling a bit. The fact is that many, many people know FF6's music to be some of the best in the industry. It's a fact. Earthbound might have some cool tunes but it's not going to stand up to big name composers like Nobuo Uematsu, Shiro Sagisu and Tsuneyoshi Saito. Their work is, well, amazing.
To be fair, though, Keiichi Suzuki's work on Tokyo Godfathers and Uzumaki was pretty great, but he doesn't quite match up.
Personally I'm a huge fan of Yasunori Mitsuda's stuff. ~<3
People think Nirvana, AC/DC, and Guns N Roses are musical geniuses of rock music but that's pretty damn far from true. I'm not one who's generally blown away by every classical music track I hear in a videogame like some people are but as an avid music fan I know what I'm talking about. I might seem like a troll to you but to me you seem like your opinion is Nostalgia driven. Not saying that's true but I hope you get my point. Earthbound IMO is nothing but memorable tracks even the ambience tends to stick in my head. They are more versatile and atmospheric to me and just like I'm not going to change your mind your not going to change my mind. I didn't mean to start a hostile argument.
author=GreatRedSpirit
Sorry y'all but this is the best snes music track. It's such a grand fucking slam everybody else might as well be picking their noses for all the good it does.
I dunno man.
Unless you're talking about purely technical reasons in which case, yeah you're probably right.
author=Liberty
Earthbound might have some cool tunes but it's not going to stand up to big name composers like Nobuo Uematsu, Shiro Sagisu and Tsuneyoshi Saito. Their work is, well, amazing.
Much as I love Earthbound and good ol' "Hip" Tanaka's style. FF6 and Uematsu blew it out of the water.
David Wise did some great work on the DC series, that's very true. It's part of what made the game so great - the sound and music direction. Can't say much for some of the other games he was part of since I've never played them, but I'll admit he did do great on DC. ^.^
@Isri: That's some pretty slick tunage. I just checked and now I know why it sounded so familiar - Horiyama did the two last Ace Attorney games, as well as the music for Ghost Trick! (Well, also Megaman games but I don't play them. ^.^; )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLgiZNHawDc <3
Terranigma music makes my heart go doki-doki~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTrtafl7epc
Dear God, that track. ;^;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLuIVI3pNLI
:3
It's kinda sad that Miyoko Takaoka doesn't get a Wiki page when she's also done a lot of music composition for great games, but Masanori Hikichi (her male partner in musical composition) does, though. :<
@Isri: That's some pretty slick tunage. I just checked and now I know why it sounded so familiar - Horiyama did the two last Ace Attorney games, as well as the music for Ghost Trick! (Well, also Megaman games but I don't play them. ^.^; )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLgiZNHawDc <3
Terranigma music makes my heart go doki-doki~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTrtafl7epc
Dear God, that track. ;^;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLuIVI3pNLI
:3
It's kinda sad that Miyoko Takaoka doesn't get a Wiki page when she's also done a lot of music composition for great games, but Masanori Hikichi (her male partner in musical composition) does, though. :<
Well, you can't state objectively that 3 decent but rather unremarkable tracks from Earthbound are better than anything that a game whose soundtrack has been hailed more than once as one of the best soundtracks ever composed for a video game, and expect not to start a hostile argument.
Which is why I thought you were trolling. (and still kind of do, with your insinuation that FF6 is basically Welcome to the Jungle)
Which is why I thought you were trolling. (and still kind of do, with your insinuation that FF6 is basically Welcome to the Jungle)
author=kentona
Well, you can't state objectively that 3 decent but rather unremarkable tracks from Earthbound are better than anything that a game whose soundtrack has been hailed more than once as one of the best soundtracks ever composed for a video game, and expect not to start a hostile argument.
Which is why I thought you were trolling. (and still kind of do, with your insinuation that FF6 is basically Welcome to the Jungle)
I never said that FF 6 is basically welcome to the jungle don't put words in my mouth. I think I'll ignore you now.
If we want to straight up get into musical theory talk, that could be its own thread (and a more productive one), but I wonder why you prefer Earthbound's OST to FF6's. I can totally understand if you prefer it on the merits of its versatility and abstract oddities. The music in that game takes a lot of risks and does really interesting things with rhythm and tempo. But compositionally it falls short. Even I think Mother 3 outclasses it. If we're talking on an emotional level and how well it pulls the heartstrings, I'd have to give both games an even split on that one.
I don't know the words to express what I'm saying, but you get where I'm going.
Also, if we want to talk about great SNES soundtracks, Terranigma is no slouch.
I don't know the words to express what I'm saying, but you get where I'm going.
Also, if we want to talk about great SNES soundtracks, Terranigma is no slouch.
author=Isrieri
If we want to straight up get into musical theory talk, that could be its own thread (and a more productive one), but I wonder why you prefer Earthbound's OST to FF6's. I can totally understand if you prefer it on the merits of its versatility and abstract oddities. The music in that game takes a lot of risks and does really interesting things with rhythm and tempo. But compositionally it falls short. Even I think Mother 3 outclasses it. If we're talking on an emotional level and how well it pulls the heartstrings, I'd have to give both games an even split on that one.
I don't know the words to express what I'm saying, but you get where I'm going.
Also, if we want to talk about great SNES soundtracks, Terranigma is no slouch.
I find the tracks in Earthbound catchier and more memorable and more interesting. I get them stuck in my head all the time while FF 6 to me sounds like your usual RPG music classical based tracks. Its simple as that. Mother 3 was great as well. Non RPG wise Donkey Kong Country 2 had some excellent tracks as well as Me a man and Sonic though those are pretty different. Super Mario Bros 3 had an excellent set of tracks too.
I don't mind people disagreeing with me but the attitude is uncalled for as I feel some of you are just as crazy for preferring Final fantasies tracks as you do me for preferring Earthbounds.
The way I see it, EB and FF6s' OSTs both have their own merits. The former has a very charming quirkiness and rhythm (like Isrieri pointed out) to its OST that fits the game to a T, while FF6 has that epic/atmospheric feel to its OST that is a huge factor as to why the game is such a classic to so many people (dunno how to put it, really).
Here's a couple handpicks that I think illustrate my viewpoint pretty well:
Two of my personal favorites from both OSTs, bar none.
Here's a couple handpicks that I think illustrate my viewpoint pretty well:
Two of my personal favorites from both OSTs, bar none.
author=TagoMago
I find the tracks in Earthbound catchier and more memorable and more interesting. I get them stuck in my head all the time while FF 6 to me sounds like your usual RPG music classical based tracks. Its simple as that.
Nothing wrong with that. Battle against a Machine is just top tier discotheque. A lot of that soundtrack is amplified when headphones are a applied. Its all in the bass.
author=TagoMago
I don't mind people disagreeing with me but the attitude is uncalled for as I feel some of you are just as crazy for preferring Final fantasies tracks as you do me for preferring Earthbounds.
Okay dude, but you're basically pulling the same attitude 'cept with an entire website. Respect their opinions!
author=Isrieriauthor=TagoMagoNothing wrong with that. Battle against a Machine is just top tier discotheque. A lot of that soundtrack is amplified when headphones are a applied. Its all in the bass.
I find the tracks in Earthbound catchier and more memorable and more interesting. I get them stuck in my head all the time while FF 6 to me sounds like your usual RPG music classical based tracks. Its simple as that.author=TagoMago
I don't mind people disagreeing with me but the attitude is uncalled for as I feel some of you are just as crazy for preferring Final fantasies tracks as you do me for preferring Earthbounds.
Okay dude, but you're basically pulling the same attitude 'cept with an entire website. Respect their opinions!
I respect everyone's opinions. Just because I express disagreement doesn't mean I think your a troll.
Both games chose different routes with their music route but I feel Earthbound did its route more effectively and was certainly more unique in the genre of RPGs.
Did someone say 'heartstrings'?
I crie erry tiem. Seriously, though, that's the good shit right there. ;^;
Earthbound has some good tracks but pound for pound it doesn't match up. Thing is, we're not denying that it doesn't have good music, what we're saying is that compared to FF6 it's not as good. You, on the other hand, seem to be trolling because you keep maintaining that it's above FF6's OST - which is recognised by professionals to be one of the, if not the, best OSTs to come from that era (I think CT's beats it out). It's a ludicrous claim. Sure, say that you prefer it, that's fine, but don't claim that it's factually better because that is wrong.
For one, Square really pushed the bar with FF6. They experimented the fuck out of what they could get out of the system at the time. They tried to replicate human voice - which couldn't be done - creating a haunting opera song that pulls the heartstrings ... and the story presented in the opera is not even a major plot point. The music fits every scene perfectly and it sticks in the mind years after playing. Not only that, but they had three composers working in conjunction on the game, one of them being the very noteworthy Uematsu, one of the best composers around. Games have been made from having his name attached to them because he is one of the best and FF6 is one of his masterpieces.
There's a reason your dismissal of it caused a backlash - because it (and CT) is the definitive musical sound of jRPGs of that era. Fullstop. No argument.
Earthbound has some good songs, yes, but it does not stand up to FF6. You like it better, fine, but it is not better. Hell, I like a lot of games music more than FF6's but even I know that they don't hit it out of the park as much as FF6 did (and CT but again, that soundtrack is just hnnnng).
(From that era I enjoyed BoFII and Lufia II's music, but even I can admit they don't stand up to FF6/CT in terms of composition and long-lastingness, even if they are charming and ear-catching in their own right.)
I crie erry tiem. Seriously, though, that's the good shit right there. ;^;
Earthbound has some good tracks but pound for pound it doesn't match up. Thing is, we're not denying that it doesn't have good music, what we're saying is that compared to FF6 it's not as good. You, on the other hand, seem to be trolling because you keep maintaining that it's above FF6's OST - which is recognised by professionals to be one of the, if not the, best OSTs to come from that era (I think CT's beats it out). It's a ludicrous claim. Sure, say that you prefer it, that's fine, but don't claim that it's factually better because that is wrong.
For one, Square really pushed the bar with FF6. They experimented the fuck out of what they could get out of the system at the time. They tried to replicate human voice - which couldn't be done - creating a haunting opera song that pulls the heartstrings ... and the story presented in the opera is not even a major plot point. The music fits every scene perfectly and it sticks in the mind years after playing. Not only that, but they had three composers working in conjunction on the game, one of them being the very noteworthy Uematsu, one of the best composers around. Games have been made from having his name attached to them because he is one of the best and FF6 is one of his masterpieces.
There's a reason your dismissal of it caused a backlash - because it (and CT) is the definitive musical sound of jRPGs of that era. Fullstop. No argument.
Earthbound has some good songs, yes, but it does not stand up to FF6. You like it better, fine, but it is not better. Hell, I like a lot of games music more than FF6's but even I know that they don't hit it out of the park as much as FF6 did (and CT but again, that soundtrack is just hnnnng).
(From that era I enjoyed BoFII and Lufia II's music, but even I can admit they don't stand up to FF6/CT in terms of composition and long-lastingness, even if they are charming and ear-catching in their own right.)
author=Liberty
Did someone say 'heartstrings'?
I crie erry tiem.
Thanks Liberty, but we all know what the REAL heartstring tugging FF tune is:
:'''''( boo hoo
Actually, from that game I prefer Melodies of Life. Sorry~
Freya is great though. She was an instant fave for me, I just wish they did more for her and Amarant character-wise. The story was more focussed around Garnet/Eiko/Vivi/MonkeybuttZidane instead. Understandable, since their stories are tied up in the actual plot itself. Freya, Quina, and Amarant are just along for the ride and Steiner is somewhere in-between.
Freya is great though. She was an instant fave for me, I just wish they did more for her and Amarant character-wise. The story was more focussed around Garnet/Eiko/Vivi/
author=Liberty
Did someone say 'heartstrings'?
I crie erry tiem. Seriously, though, that's the good shit right there. ;^;
Earthbound has some good tracks but pound for pound it doesn't match up. Thing is, we're not denying that it doesn't have good music, what we're saying is that compared to FF6 it's not as good. You, on the other hand, seem to be trolling because you keep maintaining that it's above FF6's OST - which is recognised by professionals to be one of the, if not the, best OSTs to come from that era (I think CT's beats it out). It's a ludicrous claim. Sure, say that you prefer it, that's fine, but don't claim that it's factually better because that is wrong.
For one, Square really pushed the bar with FF6. They experimented the fuck out of what they could get out of the system at the time. They tried to replicate human voice - which couldn't be done - creating a haunting opera song that pulls the heartstrings ... and the story presented in the opera is not even a major plot point. The music fits every scene perfectly and it sticks in the mind years after playing. Not only that, but they had three composers working in conjunction on the game, one of them being the very noteworthy Uematsu, one of the best composers around. Games have been made from having his name attached to them because he is one of the best and FF6 is one of his masterpieces.
There's a reason your dismissal of it caused a backlash - because it (and CT) is the definitive musical sound of jRPGs of that era. Fullstop. No argument.
Earthbound has some good songs, yes, but it does not stand up to FF6. You like it better, fine, but it is not better. Hell, I like a lot of games music more than FF6's but even I know that they don't hit it out of the park as much as FF6 did (and CT but again, that soundtrack is just hnnnng).
(From that era I enjoyed BoFII and Lufia II's music, but even I can admit they don't stand up to FF6/CT in terms of composition and long-lastingness, even if they are charming and ear-catching in their own right.)
Damn dude your elitist all the way. Robert Christgau is a professional music critic but he's an idiot. Most professional critics are just tools. Quit saying your opinion is fact.
Wow this is like textbook trolling. Or you are just oblivious to what you are saying and the way you say it is exactly the things you're railing against.
author=kentona
Wow this is like textbook trolling. Or you are just oblivious to what you are saying and the way you say it is exactly the things you're railing against.
I am now inclined to agree.
the mother series does have some really GOOD music
(this, for instance, was my crying-to-sleep song for quite a while)
(except it was more a crying-and-singing-to-sleep-while-tasting-your-own-tears-and-lamenting-how-foolish-you-are kind of song)
GOODNESS GRACIOUS THOSE LYRICS
but MAN
THEY DON'T HAVE MULTI-PHASED LAST BOSS THEMES THAT ARE 20 MINUTES LONG OR A 22 MINUTE ENDING THAT'S A REENACTMENT OF ALL THE GAME'S ACTS
EDIT:
the original in-game version. THAT BASS AND THOSE CHORDS
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO CRY AND SMILE AT THE SAME TIME
(this, for instance, was my crying-to-sleep song for quite a while)
(except it was more a crying-and-singing-to-sleep-while-tasting-your-own-tears-and-lamenting-how-foolish-you-are kind of song)
GOODNESS GRACIOUS THOSE LYRICS
but MAN
THEY DON'T HAVE MULTI-PHASED LAST BOSS THEMES THAT ARE 20 MINUTES LONG OR A 22 MINUTE ENDING THAT'S A REENACTMENT OF ALL THE GAME'S ACTS
EDIT:
the original in-game version. THAT BASS AND THOSE CHORDS
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO CRY AND SMILE AT THE SAME TIME
