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WAS ANYONE ELSE HERE DISAPPOINTED WITH FF 6?
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Liberty
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CloseJust ignore him. It's obvious he just wants to kick up old trouble for whatever reason.
Anyway, I was looking in to other games of the era and I found out the Secret of Evermore, a game that I always thought was part of the Seiken Densetsu series (in some way - cousin twice removed?) was actually an American game that was never released in Japan.
That kinda shocks me a bit. I always thought that game was really great and attributed it to the jRPG vibes in it but now that I think about it, it was a more grungy sort of game, in the way that it was presented as well as the way it played. It has a bit of the ol' Western World game values in it that I never really noticed before. I'm... kinda shocked, I'll admit. Hell, even the music made me think it was a traditional jRPG at first but relistening to some of the tunes, I can see some Western influences in there.
Basically, it was a Western jRPG. XD And a great game to boot! But yeah, it came out in 95 - the same year as Suikoden. It's interesting to see the overlap of the PSX and SNES era games.
Anyway, I was looking in to other games of the era and I found out the Secret of Evermore, a game that I always thought was part of the Seiken Densetsu series (in some way - cousin twice removed?) was actually an American game that was never released in Japan.
That kinda shocks me a bit. I always thought that game was really great and attributed it to the jRPG vibes in it but now that I think about it, it was a more grungy sort of game, in the way that it was presented as well as the way it played. It has a bit of the ol' Western World game values in it that I never really noticed before. I'm... kinda shocked, I'll admit. Hell, even the music made me think it was a traditional jRPG at first but relistening to some of the tunes, I can see some Western influences in there.
Basically, it was a Western jRPG. XD And a great game to boot! But yeah, it came out in 95 - the same year as Suikoden. It's interesting to see the overlap of the PSX and SNES era games.
I apologize for my butthurtness or whatever so can we please forget it? I was in the wrong you guys are all right.
suzy_cheesedreams
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Also sort of interesting is that Secret of Evermore was the only Square game ever developed in NA. Not sure why/how. Remembered reading something about that on Hardcore Gaming 101.
Secret of Evermore is such a fun and lovable game
I should find more time to play it. Also, despite it looking very similar to Secret of Mana in gameplay and proportions of graphics, it runs in its very own engine and reuses no code!
I should find more time to play it. Also, despite it looking very similar to Secret of Mana in gameplay and proportions of graphics, it runs in its very own engine and reuses no code!
Kaliesto
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I love Hardcore Gaming 101! SO much interesting information you can barely find elsewhere or just exclusive to them. :)
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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Kentona quit badmouthing all the other topics
OK they changed my medicine and I got out of control their let's just pretend all this never happened.
I didn't like FF6 at all.
It's my least favourite. However, I played it after FF12. Not to say FF12 or others after 6 are better; just to say I didn't play it when it was new and shiny. Maybe I just don't think Kefka or anything about this game lives up to the heaps of praise fans give it.
There's a lot of good in the game, but overall... Eh. Combat was especially boring. I played it at like 3x speed almost default.
Cyan made my life easier with his powerful attacks. I did like the characters splitting up and stuff. Lots of good ideas (for the time) and good visuals (for the time). But like any good show you loved as a kid ... You probably just had to be there.
*shot*
author=Dudesoft
I didn't like FF6 at all.
It's my least favourite. However, I played it after FF12. Not to say FF12 or others after 6 are better; just to say I didn't play it when it was new and shiny. Maybe I just don't think Kefka or anything about this game lives up to the heaps of praise fans give it.
There's a lot of good in the game, but overall... Eh. Combat was especially boring. I played it at like 3x speed almost default.
Cyan made my life easier with his powerful attacks. I did like the characters splitting up and stuff. Lots of good ideas (for the time) and good visuals (for the time). But like any good show you loved as a kid ... You probably just had to be there.
*shot*
I played DQ 3,4, and 5 afterwards and loved them more though they are older. Also funny thing is FF 12 was the first FF I beat.
author=kentonaI was pretty young and naive and unaware of better RPGs.
I couldn't make it through the initial tower of FF12 before growing bored with it.
Wait, there was a tow- oh, I forgot about that area.
I think FF12 would have been better if the story had been built around the guild, since it was the most interesting and fun thing about the game. Just imagine, you have to help build the guild back up from nothing, making it better and more well-known through the world, then accidentally saving the world by just fulfilling quests that come through it.
That would have been a hell of a lot more interesting. Also, ditch Vaan and replace with Penelo. She was the one who got the plot moving in the first case, and she would have made a more interesting story than 'i wanna be a ski pirte!!!'. Just her meeting Balthier was more interesting than "BASCHE LIVES!"
I think FF12 would have been better if the story had been built around the guild, since it was the most interesting and fun thing about the game. Just imagine, you have to help build the guild back up from nothing, making it better and more well-known through the world, then accidentally saving the world by just fulfilling quests that come through it.
That would have been a hell of a lot more interesting. Also, ditch Vaan and replace with Penelo. She was the one who got the plot moving in the first case, and she would have made a more interesting story than 'i wanna be a ski pirte!!!'. Just her meeting Balthier was more interesting than "BASCHE LIVES!"
author=Liberty
Wait, there was a tow- oh, I forgot about that area.
I think FF12 would have been better if the story had been built around the guild, since it was the most interesting and fun thing about the game. Just imagine, you have to help build the guild back up from nothing, making it better and more well-known through the world, then accidentally saving the world by just fulfilling quests that come through it.
That would have been a hell of a lot more interesting. Also, ditch Vaan and replace with Penelo. She was the one who got the plot moving in the first case, and she would have made a more interesting story than 'i wanna be a ski pirte!!!'. Just her meeting Balthier was more interesting than "BASCHE LIVES!"
I think it would've been better simply if it didn't have the weakest set of characters in any FF game (Not featuring silent protagonists of course). I actually think overall its a really good game if you don't look at it as a Final fantasy game just treat as its own thing it has some major flaws but its got its good points as well.
author=Liberty
Wait, there was a tow- oh, I forgot about that area.
I think FF12 would have been better if the story had been built around the guild, since it was the most interesting and fun thing about the game. Just imagine, you have to help build the guild back up from nothing, making it better and more well-known through the world, then accidentally saving the world by just fulfilling quests that come through it.
I agree, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance was a fun game.
Vaan is technically one of the more interesting characters of the FF12 cast since he actually has *gasp* a character arc! Which is more than what can be said for most of the cast. It also passes in the middle of the game with so little fanfare I think most players completely missed it and are content to throw him and his paint on abs under the bus. He then goes right back to being the audience surrogate and his entire character disappears into the massless void known as FF12's narrative.
Or is that void my memory of FF12? I have a hard time remembering most of what happened in it. Occuria's trying to manipulate Ashe to get and use a fantasy nuke via the ghost of her dead husband (Vaan too via Reks' ghost but eventually Vaan lets go of his power revenge fantasy). Vayne and his stray Occuria buddy and Evil Cid are trying to free the world of the Occuria's influence via ???. Balthier is the son of evil Cid. Basch is there, eventually throwdowns with his Evil Twin Brother. Fran is there. Penelo is there and befriends Larsa, Vayne's younger brother and next in line for the throne of the empire. I think there was Cid2 who wasn't evil but shit if I remember anything about him.
Maybe I should play IZJS, lord knows how long I've had it sitting around patched and everything.
Or is that void my memory of FF12? I have a hard time remembering most of what happened in it. Occuria's trying to manipulate Ashe to get and use a fantasy nuke via the ghost of her dead husband (Vaan too via Reks' ghost but eventually Vaan lets go of his power revenge fantasy). Vayne and his stray Occuria buddy and Evil Cid are trying to free the world of the Occuria's influence via ???. Balthier is the son of evil Cid. Basch is there, eventually throwdowns with his Evil Twin Brother. Fran is there. Penelo is there and befriends Larsa, Vayne's younger brother and next in line for the throne of the empire. I think there was Cid2 who wasn't evil but shit if I remember anything about him.
Maybe I should play IZJS, lord knows how long I've had it sitting around patched and everything.
suzy_cheesedreams
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I liked how expansive some the maps were in FF 12 and that there were a generous amount of levels outside of the story to explore. The bestiary was fairly interesting.
The story, though, was boring, the characters were too bland and/or hammy (though arguably the hamminess can be quite entertaining... but it definitely puts a lot of strain on the underlying plot to still have... integrity, or something, despite the ham. I thought 10 achieved that, but definitely not 12) ...and once I saw Fran's hometown I pretty much discarded any real longstanding interest in the game. It was just stupid.
The story, though, was boring, the characters were too bland and/or hammy (though arguably the hamminess can be quite entertaining... but it definitely puts a lot of strain on the underlying plot to still have... integrity, or something, despite the ham. I thought 10 achieved that, but definitely not 12) ...and once I saw Fran's hometown I pretty much discarded any real longstanding interest in the game. It was just stupid.
