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LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I have to assume the scum team already knows who Lancelot is, since nobody died last night. Like, it's theoretically possible that they didn't kill anyone on purpose and are trying to trick us, but that would be hella stupid. The theoretical purpose of that ploy would be for one of them to pretend to be Lancelot, and thus get "confirmed" as town. But if that's their plan, then it has a high chance of backfiring if the real Lancelot exists and counterclaims. And it also costs them an entire day.
Being hella stupid and unlikely doesn't guarantee they didn't do it, though. So although I agree it's beneficial for Lancelot to claim, we should probably only consider them 90% confirmed town instead of 100% confirmed town. Merlin at least will know if they're lying, so if we get tricked, not all is lost.
Being hella stupid and unlikely doesn't guarantee they didn't do it, though. So although I agree it's beneficial for Lancelot to claim, we should probably only consider them 90% confirmed town instead of 100% confirmed town. Merlin at least will know if they're lying, so if we get tricked, not all is lost.
author=KylailaUnless I'm misunderstanding you, I think you're misunderstanding the Lancelot role. He is immune to being "nightkilled" but that is a term used only to refer to scum kills. He isn't immune to being lynched to death.
One, Lancelot claiming themselves is kind of pointless, because we have no way to trust that - we DO have a different way to trust it, though. And that's surviving kills.
If PA was Lancelot, ok, a huge if, but if he was, then lynching him - while a bad idea and wasted lynch - would have revealed him to be a townie to trust.
I haven't read through 20 fully or 21 but I just wanna say I just got home from work and was asleep before I saw IF's replies so I had no time to vote or say anything until now... let me read through everything but that's why I've been quiet.
I thought the lancelot role died in place or merlin if merlin got hit, like merlin got one save if he got hit. or maybe i'm confused.
anyways, erm, i put my own list and opinions and everything so how exactly am i mimicking everyone? if it's because my list, i already had said i pretty much had the same opinions. i don't really understand where that's coming from.
I was waiting for PA's reply before I said anything 'cause I had no other responses. You guys hit hammer before I could say anything else and then went on two pages with a couple people mentioning about how I've been quiet and that's weird. That kind of frustrates me considering I was asleep and went to work when I woke up, remember you're posting fast and some of us are busy and timezones are different. I generally try to be active so sorry that I can't post in my sleep.
Tbh I would have said PA sounded town to me for the fact that he fumbled so hard it looked like messy town which I've done before. His replies were weak but I had a feeling he wasn't lying, but I couldn't say so beforehand and I doubt anyone would have believed me XD I understand he did seem off though, guess it couldn't be helped by then.
demonlord being confirmed not mordred helps a bit? but just to confirm that doesn't mean he isn't scum right? idk, I still have a weird feeling about demonlord but I'm going to go over my D1 list and see if there's any other candidates I feel weird about considering the D2 discussion. I'll post later, also I'll be a bit busy today so I'll be quiet.
anyways, erm, i put my own list and opinions and everything so how exactly am i mimicking everyone? if it's because my list, i already had said i pretty much had the same opinions. i don't really understand where that's coming from.
I was waiting for PA's reply before I said anything 'cause I had no other responses. You guys hit hammer before I could say anything else and then went on two pages with a couple people mentioning about how I've been quiet and that's weird. That kind of frustrates me considering I was asleep and went to work when I woke up, remember you're posting fast and some of us are busy and timezones are different. I generally try to be active so sorry that I can't post in my sleep.
Tbh I would have said PA sounded town to me for the fact that he fumbled so hard it looked like messy town which I've done before. His replies were weak but I had a feeling he wasn't lying, but I couldn't say so beforehand and I doubt anyone would have believed me XD I understand he did seem off though, guess it couldn't be helped by then.
demonlord being confirmed not mordred helps a bit? but just to confirm that doesn't mean he isn't scum right? idk, I still have a weird feeling about demonlord but I'm going to go over my D1 list and see if there's any other candidates I feel weird about considering the D2 discussion. I'll post later, also I'll be a bit busy today so I'll be quiet.
demonlord5000
680
I'm here now. My theory from day 1 is pretty much pa being lancealot to waste a scum nk, but I have no proof to back it up. I also considered it might be a scum ploy like lockez, but I ruled it out for the same reasons he did. I didn't want to say that at the time because then it might not have worked.
Muffle, all the team revealed is that I'm not mordred, but it still doesn't mean I'm not scum.
That said, I think it's probably unlikely scum was in the d1 team. If psy or piano were scum, they could of easily sabotaged the mission and everyone would of been after me, and then had a 50% chance on day 3 of getting another town killed. I don't think this clears me any, but I think it makes them look more town.
Muffle, all the team revealed is that I'm not mordred, but it still doesn't mean I'm not scum.
That said, I think it's probably unlikely scum was in the d1 team. If psy or piano were scum, they could of easily sabotaged the mission and everyone would of been after me, and then had a 50% chance on day 3 of getting another town killed. I don't think this clears me any, but I think it makes them look more town.
demonlord5000
680
I should also specify my understanding of lancealots power. I'm pretty sure it works passively in that they auto-protect merlin while they are alive, and that scum can't night kill them. It's a really strong power so I can see scum trying to use it to their benefit, but it'd be a huge gamble.
In regards to the Lancelot claiming, if there is one, I find it to be a bad idea. Merlin will definetely try to somehow keep that Lancelot from getting lynched seeing as Lancelot would be Merlin's get out of death free card for one night. Psy wanting for Lancelot to roleclaim, if there is a Lancelot, smells to me like wanting Merlin to accidentally out themselves or get town to lynch Lancelot because they don't trust his claim, which will be a huge burden off of Scum's back.
Psy has just seemed off to me since the entire IF bandwagon, not to mention that IF even had an eye on Psy while he was being lynched.
I also still don't like how me assuming there is a Mordred was somehow suspicious but he himself assuming there is a Lancelot is not. He could be scum trying to goad Lancelot into revealing themselves as preiously mentioned, athough I do agree with Locke that that's a stupid plan, but still a possible plan.
#lynch Psy_Wombats
Psy has just seemed off to me since the entire IF bandwagon, not to mention that IF even had an eye on Psy while he was being lynched.
I also still don't like how me assuming there is a Mordred was somehow suspicious but he himself assuming there is a Lancelot is not. He could be scum trying to goad Lancelot into revealing themselves as preiously mentioned, athough I do agree with Locke that that's a stupid plan, but still a possible plan.
#lynch Psy_Wombats
author=LockeZ
I have to assume the scum team already knows who Lancelot is, since nobody died last night. Like, it's theoretically possible that they didn't kill anyone on purpose and are trying to trick us, but that would be hella stupid. The theoretical purpose of that ploy would be for one of them to pretend to be Lancelot, and thus get "confirmed" as town. But if that's their plan, then it has a high chance of backfiring if the real Lancelot exists and counterclaims. And it also costs them an entire day.
Being hella stupid and unlikely doesn't guarantee they didn't do it, though. So although I agree it's beneficial for Lancelot to claim, we should probably only consider them 90% confirmed town instead of 100% confirmed town. Merlin at least will know if they're lying, so if we get tricked, not all is lost.
author=KylailaUnless I'm misunderstanding you, I think you're misunderstanding the Lancelot role. He is immune to being "nightkilled" but that is a term used only to refer to scum kills. He isn't immune to being lynched to death.
One, Lancelot claiming themselves is kind of pointless, because we have no way to trust that - we DO have a different way to trust it, though. And that's surviving kills.
If PA was Lancelot, ok, a huge if, but if he was, then lynching him - while a bad idea and wasted lynch - would have revealed him to be a townie to trust.
My god, you are right.
I still think it's good bait though, so the rest of the statement stands. I am sorry, and thank you for pointing it out (it would be a bit OP). Memory's a bitch sometime.
Ugh, usually I double-check everything. OK. MOVING ON.
I would agree, though I worry about a bandwagon being baited. If this ends badly, I know who to look at. Everything else made perfect sense and well... I just proved how badly you can fumble.. but at least I got the putting thoughts together right. I don't like the idea to jump on, and only on the person who could be a vital role. While also talking about roleclaiming (why in the world would Merlin get involved for that? wanting to save em? Merlin wouldn't know who Lancelot is! Right?)
#Lynch Psy_Wombats
That said, I am willing to reconsider. I just want to get stuff out before I miss all the night talk. (timezones are a bit tricky aren't they)
I would agree, though I worry about a bandwagon being baited. If this ends badly, I know who to look at. Everything else made perfect sense and well... I just proved how badly you can fumble.. but at least I got the putting thoughts together right. I don't like the idea to jump on, and only on the person who could be a vital role. While also talking about roleclaiming (why in the world would Merlin get involved for that? wanting to save em? Merlin wouldn't know who Lancelot is! Right?)
#Lynch Psy_Wombats
That said, I am willing to reconsider. I just want to get stuff out before I miss all the night talk. (timezones are a bit tricky aren't they)
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Teams:
psy_wombats, pianotm, demonlord5000 - proposed by psy_wombats:
Accepted by: None
Denied by: None
With 12 alive it takes 7 to accept.
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Current votecount as of 2019-05-22, 18:51 GMT+2:
psy_wombats: 2 - OzzyTheOne, Kylaila
Not voting: 10 - pianotm, Cap_H, LockeZ, OddRABBIT, demonlord5000, PlatinumAshes, psy_wombats, Yellow Magic, Muffle, Gourd_Clae
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
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Day 2 will end 2019-05-24, 22:00 GMT+2, in 51 hours, 9 minutes, or when hammer falls.
psy_wombats, pianotm, demonlord5000 - proposed by psy_wombats:
Accepted by: None
Denied by: None
With 12 alive it takes 7 to accept.
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Current votecount as of 2019-05-22, 18:51 GMT+2:
psy_wombats: 2 - OzzyTheOne, Kylaila
Not voting: 10 - pianotm, Cap_H, LockeZ, OddRABBIT, demonlord5000, PlatinumAshes, psy_wombats, Yellow Magic, Muffle, Gourd_Clae
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
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Day 2 will end 2019-05-24, 22:00 GMT+2, in 51 hours, 9 minutes, or when hammer falls.
Did that make sense? I am sorry, I just spent an hour or two cleaning and am a bit tired. If not, I will try to explain it better. Lemme know.
author=demonlord5000
I'm here now. My theory from day 1 is pretty much pa being lancealot to waste a scum nk, but I have no proof to back it up. I also considered it might be a scum ploy like lockez, but I ruled it out for the same reasons he did. I didn't want to say that at the time because then it might not have worked.
Muffle, all the team revealed is that I'm not mordred, but it still doesn't mean I'm not scum.
That said, I think it's probably unlikely scum was in the d1 team. If psy or piano were scum, they could of easily sabotaged the mission and everyone would of been after me, and then had a 50% chance on day 3 of getting another town killed. I don't think this clears me any, but I think it makes them look more town.
I was about to ask you what your day 1 thing was that you could tell us on day 2 and I am glad you did. Yeah, telling your suspicion that PA might be Lancelot and was trying to goad a wasted nightkill from scum would've ruined the plan, if that was PA's plan.
Also, your argument as about psy and piano not being scum because they could've failed and made you look suspicious is also true, which makes me reconsider my opinions on psy. However, it is also true that you are still capable of being scum even if you're confirmed to not be Mordred. The absolute worst case scenario though is that all three scum players are in the team of day 1, which means they can all pass themselves as town by not failing said mission. But I find this to be very unlikely as I cannot see right now which that benefit would be.
Anyhow, I have an exam in a few hours, so expect some silence from me for the next 3-4 hours.
And oh! Demonlord, is that what you said you wanted to reveal the following day after PA's claim? That made me a bit wary at first but now I get it (and I appreciate that, it only works when not spoken). It made more sense thinking on it longer.
Hrm, reading back on what Locke said I'm starting to believe that there truly might be a Lancelot. Psy being the first to point that out with somewhat certainty makes me suspect he was aware before any of us that nightkill failed, probably because he is scum and knows who was targeted.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
...Say what? The "nobody died last night" nightkill result was announced in the thread at the beginning of day 2. Psy didn't mention Lancelot on day 1. You're not making any sense.
Reading back, Cap is the first one to mention Lancelot in day 2, but Psy is still the one who pointed it out with more certainty. However this does put some doubts in me, I missed that cap post because I read the thread after just waking up and psy just seemed particularely suspicious to me. Then again, I fear I am doing the same as Psy did to me on day 1, guilting him of knowing more than he lets on because he is making a big assumption, hrmm.
I will keep my lynch on him for now because I do still suspect him, but I am willing to be swayed if good arguments are given.
Ky I think is being rather helpful for town, she's actually trying to figure out who to trust and is also calling back useful info like Demonlord's day 1 claim taht he might have some info to reveal on day 2.
So I'm still leaning on Ky being town.
As for teams, I #propose Kylaila, Demonlord5000, OddRabbit.
We should also give a closer to look to the people who voted on IF, there is, like mentioned by others, most certainly at least one scum present in said vote.
One more thing regarding the Psy vote, Psy said he was gonna be traveling today, so don't get too hasty with voting him and wait for him to talk it out a little, would be a shame if get's bandwagoned while he has little ability to post.
I will keep my lynch on him for now because I do still suspect him, but I am willing to be swayed if good arguments are given.
Ky I think is being rather helpful for town, she's actually trying to figure out who to trust and is also calling back useful info like Demonlord's day 1 claim taht he might have some info to reveal on day 2.
So I'm still leaning on Ky being town.
As for teams, I #propose Kylaila, Demonlord5000, OddRabbit.
We should also give a closer to look to the people who voted on IF, there is, like mentioned by others, most certainly at least one scum present in said vote.
One more thing regarding the Psy vote, Psy said he was gonna be traveling today, so don't get too hasty with voting him and wait for him to talk it out a little, would be a shame if get's bandwagoned while he has little ability to post.
author=LockeZ
...Say what? The "nobody died last night" nightkill result was announced in the thread at the beginning of day 2. Psy didn't mention Lancelot on day 1. You're not making any sense.
Huh? Where did I say that Psy assumed Lancelot on day 1? If I typed that anywhere then it was a typo.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Why is mentioning Lancelot before other people suspicious?
The first person to mention Lancelot was the goddamn moderator, who told us that nobody died last night. Keeping someone from dying is Lancelot's power. That's not a huge fuckin' leap of logic.
The first person to mention Lancelot was the goddamn moderator, who told us that nobody died last night. Keeping someone from dying is Lancelot's power. That's not a huge fuckin' leap of logic.
