[MAFIA] THE RESISTANCE: AVALON MAFIA - GAME ON

Cap_H
Ok, them being trustworthy is rhetorical. We mislynched and nobody is proven town as of a now. They a notch higher for succeeding. This means their decision was pro-town. In reality it doesn't make them less scummy or anything. They just gave us this little piece of information we can read them off. It would be nice to build upon it with more. It's more that I want to see their scummiest picks and I want to see how the actual mission play outs. It can spring interesting discussion.

Absolutely agreed. IF was the towniest town in Townington and then flat out lied to us about his reads, either when he made them or after when he made his decision to vote demonlord. Just because it was a mislynch doesn't mean it was a bad lynch. There was literally nothing else anyone could do.

About the Lancelot thing. Cap is in this discussion with psy and Cap is the first one to bring up Lancelot. I'd question psy's comment suggesting that Lancelot could safely claim, but then psy has a history of doing this in previous games. Since Ozzy has claimed, it's water under the bridge. We already know scum knew he was Lancelot because:

Cap_H
I guess wolves didn't forward a kill as town has no doc.

Seriously? Of course, they did! They would have gone for the player that threatened them most, and I will point out that Merlin knows who not-Mordred scum are. Ozzy probably said something that made them think he was Merlin. Other than that, I can't guess why they'd go after Ozzy, but he definitely had some solid posts.

Don't take my word for it, though. Here's LockeZ:

LockeZ
I have to assume the scum team already knows who Lancelot is, since nobody died last night. Like, it's theoretically possible that they didn't kill anyone on purpose and are trying to trick us, but that would be hella stupid. The theoretical purpose of that ploy would be for one of them to pretend to be Lancelot, and thus get "confirmed" as town. But if that's their plan, then it has a high chance of backfiring if the real Lancelot exists and counterclaims. And it also costs them an entire day.

psy_wombats
Probably. IF fumbled pretty hard so there was blood in the water as soon as he contradicted himself. If someone in also felt threatened enough to push the train it sure would be easy.

Absolutely right. Just because it was a good lynch doesn't mean it's beyond scrutiny, but this mafia 101. Always look for scum to join a bandwagon.

So, going through the rest of this, it seems like everyone's just mulling over the Lancelot discussion. About Muffle, I'd like to say, try and remember that not everyone has the same schedule as you. Everyone will talk in their own time.

I've been thinking about things too.

I'm willing to believe ozzy is lancealot despite how weird a choice he was as a target.

One thing I've been considering is psy's verses lockez team strategy. Lockez plan operates under the plan of hunting minor scum by putting in weird team combinations in an attempt for scum to out themselves for info. If this scenario happened, and one of them decided to fail the mission, then we use up a bunch of time hunting minor scum. I'm pretty sure lockez is operating under the chance that there is no mordred.

Meanwhile psy has talked about ignoring minor scum entirely. This could also work, but the risk here is that there is no mordred, and then late game we have no choice but to hit the possible assassin when there are fewer players. Given this scenario though, I would think assassin would try to stay hidden until later game when the potential targets are narrowed. For this reason, I doubt PA is the assassin. Given it wouldn't make sense for any other scum role to risk dying, I want to say hes probably town.

If you think about it, in the chance that there is no mordred, ignoring the assassin is exactly what scum would want us to do. I'm not sure how likely this is given we do have lancealot, but I thought it worth mentioning.

I just realized I can't cancel team proposals, darn it orz

I'm not as enthusiastic about a demonlord lynch as I was yesterday. Thinking about it, I can see that even though his first response to PA's fakeclaim seemed calm, his declaration that the game was dead certainly feels like he was probably freaking out over it. Also, while in most situations, demon counterlynching IF would seem scummy, in this particular case, I think it was the only possible response. Also, he's made some pretty town posts this phase.

LockeZ is LockeZ. Everything he's said is pretty by the numbers for him.

PlatinumAshes needs to be more talkative, I think. He barely posted yesterday, and again, he's barely posting today. I think he makes up for it with long informative posts, but seriously.

Cap, yeah, hammering definitely looks normal for Cap.

There's not a ton here that I haven't already commented on. Nobody really stands out to me as being scummy yet.

oddRABBIT's silence is deafening. He should have said SOMETHING by now.

Oh! Congratulations, oddRABBIT!

I agree that finding out why scum targeted Ozzy is a good idea so I'm going to look into his posts.

Sorry been busy all day just got a break.

First of all congratulations odd.

Unless I am wrong about how the missions work where in as it'd be more helpful to find scum if we put people in different missions, I like LockeZ team idea. I personally would put an obvious (so far) town with two neutral leans to see if we can get a type of lean on the ones we're not sure about but considering we all have different neutral leans...

So I suppose I'll put in my first idea for a team which is one I'm pretty sure is town and two I'm neutral on and curious about. If we get a mission fail one would be scum or a success, scum is playing risky smart or somehow in two different teams we didn't put in scum which is highly unlikely. Unless this is not how missions work;;

#propose ozzy, yellowmagic and oddrabbit

I as of right now believe Ozzy's claim so obvious town in there. If missions work as it does I'm hoping maybe my more neutral leans will be cleared up on the second two. Yellow I have a lean more on scum and odd a lean on town, feeling wise.

But otherwise out of the proposals already stated I prefer LockeZ, unless again I am wrong with how missions work.

Curious to hear caps opinions and I'd like to hear if odd has any opinions once he reads up.

I think on D2 I'm more confused than I was on d1. Some of my reads are completely different orz. I'm starting to think demon might be town and while I feel a bit better about Psy there's still something I can't shake off.

Maybe I find it weird he wants to keep the same team? I don't see the point in this if I am correct on mission mechanics. But there's not entirely anything I can think of why scum would want this to happen. May I ask why you would prefer to keep the same team? Wouldn't sending out the same team give us less information then sending a different one out?

If we send a team that's different everything and a mission fails that means one is definitely scum and we can narrow it down from there. The mission succeeded last night whether because scum is being careful or we had no scum in that team. Being careful on first mission wouldn't be surprising.

As we send teams out eventually a mission will fail and we can work from there, right? Or are you hoping to try and weed out the first team, perhaps if you're certain someone in there is scum you want to send the same team out until scum has to make the decision to fail the mission, that would mean you're definitely sure someone is scum which could mean...

I hope I'm not sputtering nonsense and this makes sense and if I am confused on anything please correct me. I'm going off what I'm pretty sure missions work from what I gathered.

I'll be gone for the rest of the night.

This is chill with me:

#Accept ozzy, yellow, odd

I will #accept ozzy, yellow, odd since any team that consists of Ozzy and two people who weren't on the team yesterday works just as well IMO. It's a perfectly good bandwagon.