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[MAFIA] SPY VS. MAFIA II DAY 3
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Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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CloseI don't think town can win anymore if the tubonium backfired. I have to assume Fomar, Emily and LockeZ are town.
Emily claimed the magnet, an item that shuffles the votes. Very scummy item, but since the trombuba cleared her I buy it. She also claimed that it dropped later than game start.
Emily claimed the magnet, an item that shuffles the votes. Very scummy item, but since the trombuba cleared her I buy it. She also claimed that it dropped later than game start.
I forgot about that claim. I kind of think that might be the item clashing with mine and not LockeZ's.
Ok, let's talk about the two claims, which matter. Psy only claimed the tuba, which is an item randomly spawning each round confirming a random player.
Cave had an item, which works well together with demon's or as a counter balance to it. Because honestly wolves having both would break the game if used d3 or later. So, that leaves me with a conclusion that holder of such an item is more likely than not town and that pay might have yet another item, if wolf.
So, even based on mechanics, Pay makes more sense as a wolf than Cave.
Ok, let's talk about the two claims, which matter. Psy only claimed the tuba, which is an item randomly spawning each round confirming a random player.
Cave had an item, which works well together with demon's or as a counter balance to it. Because honestly wolves having both would break the game if used d3 or later. So, that leaves me with a conclusion that holder of such an item is more likely than not town and that pay might have yet another item, if wolf.
So, even based on mechanics, Pay makes more sense as a wolf than Cave.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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I also have to wonder if we're completey on the wrong track with these items. They could be completely random.
For instance, on first look giving a neutral a bulletproof vest makes sense, but in this game, neither town nor scum has any reason to want me dead, so what use do I even have for a bulletproof vest?
Though just going by the item names, my item does sound deliberate. Bulletproof vest is an actual mafia item. But all of the other items have nonsense names and were created specifically for this game.
For instance, on first look giving a neutral a bulletproof vest makes sense, but in this game, neither town nor scum has any reason to want me dead, so what use do I even have for a bulletproof vest?
Though just going by the item names, my item does sound deliberate. Bulletproof vest is an actual mafia item. But all of the other items have nonsense names and were created specifically for this game.
I agree that it's entirely possible. There probably are some rules preventing hoarding of items but the distribution could be totally random.
It doesn't sound like you having a vest is random, tho.
It doesn't sound like you having a vest is random, tho.
I'm getting closer and closer to PSY's line of thought here. Hero's playing dirty, he's going to win either way and he admits it. I still find both Cave and Pay to be rather towny. So, I'm starting to believe that he is covering one of the tromboned players (ok, Emily in particular). What was the timing of his outing? This might be crucial here.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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I don't get your reasoning. Who would scum-psy be covering if he's on his own, and who would town-psy be covering at all at this point in the game?
I think you can hammer. To me, the fact that you haven't yet fully clears you. And if psy turns out not to be scum the game is probably over anyway.
I think you can hammer. To me, the fact that you haven't yet fully clears you. And if psy turns out not to be scum the game is probably over anyway.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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I'll readily admit I've played very dirty this game, but I haven't needed to do that after my claim anymore. I may not mind a mislynch as much as town, but I am voting for the person I think is most likely to be last scum. Especially with you not quickhammering him.
There are 5 hours, 25 minutes left in the day phase.
Current vote count:
psy_wombats(3): LockeZ,
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK(2): AlaskanEmily,
Not voting: oddRABBIT, Cap_H
With 7 voting, it takes 4 to hammer.
Psy_wombats was lynched. He was TOWN
Final vote count:
psy_wombats(4): LockeZ,
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK(2): AlaskanEmily,
Not voting: oddRABBIT (did he even vote for the entire game?)
You have 24 hours to submit your night actions.
GAME OVER
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK WINS! He was a SPY
Town and Agents lose.
Dead chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fLNVXkEcdhP
Agent chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/r82yQ8rJdgXWf
Spy chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/3zsJPhcpGdt
my personal nightmare is over
piano you will be dealt with later
thank god i didnt have to post this
piano you will be dealt with later
thank god i didnt have to post this
author=TEXT FILEauthor=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
I doubt cap had a choice in whether or not the cake worked. like I said before, it makes no sense for him to draw attention to it as scum.
also while that is a very powerful item, it does not really makes sense as a counter to what the agents had.author=psy_wombats
The relevant part is whether he held it from the beginning of the game.
author=psy_wombats
and your town read of cap still looks baseless to me - he's either paying little attention or pretending to pay little attention for the whole game, whichever. Claiming lynchproof as scum seems like a good play to me anyway, scum should never have that ability without like a swarm of vigilantes
@jero if you have reason to believe that last scum would still be in the dark about agent IDs, keep in mind cap voted to kill you. I doubt it's relevant but still
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
can you elaborate for the class on how townreading him because of the way he drew attention to his lynchproof, coupled with the fact that he seemed to be genuinely looking for scum after odd revealed, is baseless. paying little attention to whatever is going on in this setup doesn't mean much to me.
author=psy_wombats
Caps conjectures and scumhunting were all predicated on wolves reading each other, none of which happened this game, as has been clear for a while. Scum-cap is very capable of going on about nothing. Re:cake He announced his cake after there were already one or two votes on him, it wasn't out of the blue.(The horn almost clears him regardless though -- @lockez it's more than 1/8 chance, if scum-cap clears me or town-cavedog, he ends up a prime suspect.)
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
wall of text examining these premises
author=psy_wombats
Yeah but uh I'm in agreement cap is town - horn today, and "lynchproof scum is dumb" + "cap had lynchproof" -> "cap is not scum."
I'm pretty sure this is just a performative effort from cave so everyone knows just how much effort he's putting in (while discussing a tangent to the issue at hand)
yup, definitely no constant implications that cap should be kept on the table, both because of his confusion and the cake being a nulltell which actually turned out to not be a nulltell in the end for some reason. it was just a completely umprompted performative dance.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Yeah, I should never trust my townreads of Cave ever again.
I give myself this advice every game, but then I never listen to myself.
Oh well. I feel that me blabbing about scum chat at least gave town a fighting chance.
piano actually also put me in dead chat for some reason. I mostly avoided anything said in it because I felt it was unfair to everyone, including the dead. All I used from dead chat was demon's potted ficus.
Also I legitimately didn't know Cave was scum, that was probably said in dead chat at some point but then edited out because there were a LOT of edited messages in dead chat.
I give myself this advice every game, but then I never listen to myself.
Oh well. I feel that me blabbing about scum chat at least gave town a fighting chance.
piano actually also put me in dead chat for some reason. I mostly avoided anything said in it because I felt it was unfair to everyone, including the dead. All I used from dead chat was demon's potted ficus.
Also I legitimately didn't know Cave was scum, that was probably said in dead chat at some point but then edited out because there were a LOT of edited messages in dead chat.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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My apologies mostly to Odd, who I screwed over very hard this game.
So for those of you were wondering. There were 11 items. They were divided items that could randomly backfire, had random effects, just worked, or a combination of all three. Also, any item that town could get, such as the euphonium, or the cake with the file, the Agency and Scum could not get. Likewise, the Scum and the Agency had items that town could not get, such as the X-Ray Specs or the Potted Ficus.
Items were set to spawn as follows. Agent and Scum items spawned immediately at the start of the game. Two town items spawned at the beginning of the game. Two spawned at the beginning of day 2, and the rest spawned when the vote count of a day phase was high or when there were 24 hours left; whichever came first. The magnet and the euphonium were obviously examples of that last one. Who got what was all rolled randomly. OddRABBIT had the only permanent item, the XRay Specs.
Finally, nobody could ever have two items, which is why the Potted Ficus never transferred.
This was done in this fashion to keep the game fair (Scum and Agents got one set of items; town got the other), and so that you couldn't metagame each other based on when an item appeared.
Items were set to spawn as follows. Agent and Scum items spawned immediately at the start of the game. Two town items spawned at the beginning of the game. Two spawned at the beginning of day 2, and the rest spawned when the vote count of a day phase was high or when there were 24 hours left; whichever came first. The magnet and the euphonium were obviously examples of that last one. Who got what was all rolled randomly. OddRABBIT had the only permanent item, the XRay Specs.
Finally, nobody could ever have two items, which is why the Potted Ficus never transferred.
This was done in this fashion to keep the game fair (Scum and Agents got one set of items; town got the other), and so that you couldn't metagame each other based on when an item appeared.
Jeroen_Sol
Also I legitimately didn't know Cave was scum, that was probably said in dead chat at some point but then edited out because there were a LOT of edited messages in dead chat.
Unless Ivory said it, it was not. That was one secret I managed to keep.
psy_wombats
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Maan. I was hoping I might have bought another day by arguing that odd was actually gray agent haha
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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I could have easily disproven that with how quickly I was able to react to all questions about scum chat, but I thought that if you were town and that was your angle, that was such a fun last-ditch effort that I shouldn't interfere with it.
