[MAFIA] GAME OVER - FREQUENCY MAFIA

author=psy_wombats
Like, what exactly should Gourd have been blocking?

the nightkill, at least. impossible to give other alternatives since i have no idea of the scumteam composition.

reasons as to why they would leave town hex alive might be that they have a godfather that they would want to get investigated, or got really, really paranoid about a doctor existing.

I wasn't suggesting they were a team, I was implying that she's trustable based on how out of field that team would be.

And while her job is something weird it effectively comes down to a rolecop: even if the subject doesn't do squat during the interview, she got the role title beforehand.

Liberty interviewing Fomar might be interesting.

^ specifically because the reason I'd want to kill him over Gourd is that his role title is seemingly incompatible with Gourd's, and Gourd's title is confirmed.

Who knows, maybe Odd decided that "white hat hacker" is the opposite of "hacker" no black-hat needed.

Ha, if Liberty reports "yep he's actually the scum godfather" and he flips whitehat, well then we'd probably kill her out of spite. So I don't think she'd do that.

I'm not sure how to hold her accountable for lying the other way though. Because Fomar being town doesn't necessarily imply that Gourd is town, we wouldn't realize something was up until a long ways down the line, if ever. But if indie-Liberty gave us a way to confirm the identify of a scum, I'd think that she'd generate enough good will from town where we'd leave her alive, and she'd have passed up that chance.

author=Gourd_Clae
@piano that's a good point, actually. I guess it is possible they are both what they say they are, but it seems a little too weird.

I'm switching my vote again, we can sort this all out tomorrow. If there's a doctor, protect hex.

As of now, I don't like how quickly emily switched to wanting fomar dead after he claimed detective after seemingly supporting him so strongly before.
#cancel
#Lynch emily

Ok, he's little too willing to change votes around.

author=Gourd_Clae
Hex if you want to investigate me tonight to clear me that's cool by me.

I'm also chill with lynching fomar today, but the lynch train on him right off the bat seems aggressive and unnecessary. We should talk a little bit more before ending the day. Wish we had this hustle at the end of the day yesterday!

If there's a godfather, it's gourd. It would make sense for a hacker to display the correct alignment.

author=Gourd_Clae
Also I'm going to be real I changed my mind on Liberty because she interrogated me last night and told me her alignment XD

What I said about Liberty's actions at the end of day 1 still stands though. I think her role claiming was a town aligned behavior even if she is independent!

This one weirds me out. I don't think that it quite aligns. I would like to see at least a shadow of doubt. He keeps defending Libby over multiple posts.

author=Gourd_Clae
Yeah I guess all I can do right now is share that:

My pm confirmed there is a person on the scum team who directs the kills, If I target that person I block the nightkill. I assumed in the chat there was a godfather because that is what I thought a role like that would be called.

Uh, other than that idk? It's not really definitive evidence I am evil it's mostly just libby's interpretation. I want to note that Liberty's role was not confirmed as independent to me so it is possible she is scum I guess now that she has revealed my entire role for everyone (including scum) to see.

I feel like the assumption could be a slip and tmi too. I still disagree with Cave on this one. Ofc as scum he would know this information as well.
I adore how he changed his read on libby here. Now, that's a town-ish reaction.

Looking back, the roleblock is consistent with Gourd's reads.

author=Gourd
Of these, I think Liberty is the one most acting in the interest of the mafia considering her behavior. She is actively trying to get one of the town power roles lynched off of a 'hunch" and very likely two (fomar included) if the frogge message is real. At best she is independent but considering she never got the message and now independents were ver confirmed for this game she could be lying.

As for Hex, his own partner can't confirm his alignment and he is another player who has not gotten the frogge pm. On day 1, he did little to no scum hunting and although I was afraid to accidentally hit a detective at the time, with the new information that's come out I think it is possible he is mafia.

This line would be interesting to further pursue.
The biggest problem is, we're not getting another peek. Hexa's dead man. Also, Cave's so high on my paranoia radar, because he would be exactly the person going for that Ozzy kill over a claim. Or psy. Either way, wolves probably felt comfortable enough at night. Now, I need to reread Hexa (and Fomar) but Hexa voted Fomar and there was a good chance of Hexa peeking him. It means either fomar's a godfather or the godfather's gourd, who asked Hexa to peek him...
this is getting complicated.
Back to Gourd...
He has some grey spots in his posts but overall he keeps solving. He's not very active at confronting other players, but he's pointing out things. His reads are consistent, but I would like to see a proper list. What's your hottest take on Esby and Demon? Overall, I'm leaning town based on reading his posts.

author=psy_wombats

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
we wouldn't need an explanation as to why town would have a roleblocker. it's not remotely close to an explicitly scum role.

No, but I find it weird if town apparently has RB, detective/broadcaster masonry, but scum was unable to deal with Hex. Like, what exactly should Gourd have been blocking?

Vs if town had a RC, detective/broadcaster masonry, and scum had a RB that chose to block the RC.

There's an easy answer for this. They probably wanted to avoid a doc save and it's possible that the wolves, who could get outed by an peek had an outside chance of getting peeked based on Hexa's reads.

Damn, just reading the first few posts, Fomar's scum. There's a weird notion of self-awareness. The very first post is constructed and includes fluff about slank. Also, he immediately contradicts it with some math. This feels like a possible slip in perspective. I don't think the quoted post says anything about me or my posting in the previous game. Possible TMI. This feels forced and it doesn't really sit as a reply. Him being focused on meta is something I noticed in previous games too (heh, meta), so it should be nai.
Is this supposed to be a read?

author=Foml
Cap_H
-I thought Cap_H's town was meant to be confused about everything yet not one mention of Odd's rule clarification.
-Starts off really jokey but it was early day 1. At the same time that was about half of his activity (this is basically the minus for lurking).
+His kerfuffle with Liberty.

I think the last point is the single at least little valid one. So, he gave me two minuses for two nai things. Demonlord read is also extremelly bad with the two <> points. He made a valid point on Esby (not having reads) and Frogge (but that one wasn't original). His claim from yesterday actually contradicts what he said today a little. He was super quick when it came to changing his tr of Emily to sr...
I don't think there's a need to continue. Not a whole lot of towny to find in his iso.

#lynch Fomar The Lupine

Now, let's check Hexa real quick for clues about the nk.

Ok, I found this

author=Hexa
If you want me town reads I like cave, and liberty so far. Cap too.

and this

author=Hexatona
I am not claiming my role, sorry. I wanted piano, nobody agreed. I stuck with fomar because it seemed the best read I had. He seemed to have a believable role to me. and honestly that's all i had today. F cave is 100% town piano, you were my number 3 pick.

Ok, I don't think that's quite enough. But I would suggest peeking Cave tonight (in case you manage to survive it might be helpful).
Or was this a peek too?
Peeking psy or me would be a good choice too.