Chrono Trigger - A Mafia Through Time - Game Over Topic

DIGITAL IDENTITY CRISIS

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04/27/2020 01:47 PM

author=LockeZ
When using a day action, I will make it public in my next votecount that a day action has been used, but not what action or by whom.
This hasn't actually happened yet, right? So scum didn't learn that Frog was a safe claim from a day power, at least.

And randomly fakeclaiming Frog without knowing it's safe seems pointlessly dangerous.

I guess it's possible that Frog is just a scum role; that honestly didn't occur to me until Fomar suggested it. That would be weird though. And in Jeroen's last two heavily themed games - Avalan mafia and Game of Thrones Mafia - all the scummy characters were scum. Well, everyone in Game of Thrones is kind of scummy, but all the scum characters in that game were members of Joffrey's court. So I think Frog is a legit town claim.

This is an interesting post. It uncovers that if one of fomar/lockez is mafia, they're not together. More importantly, I'm really intrigued by this post from LockeZ. I find him looking at parallels both good and possibly misleading. I lean to liking it as I share the opinion (for slightly different reason).

In every scenaria, Odd's spewed town by reactions to his claim.

Fomar0153

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04/27/2020 01:48 PM

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
y'all are complete lunatics for A. believing that scum wouldn't have fakeclaims. if that's the case, we can just massclaim now and solve the game (no) and B. voting to travel based on extremely unfounded logic that wouldn't even mean this to be a good move if it was true (u know who ELSE was really important in 600 AD...?) instead of going to cool robot world where there is free wifi. also I could totally see odd's extra double vote claim as something scum could have given it's a 1-shot.

however, #cancel
#lynch fomar LEVEL 99 fencesitting in this guys post history...just take a look. it's masked with a lot of words but yowzers. writing a lot of words to say nothing is like, number 1 indicator that someone is doing evils. I searched for the words however and but and got eight billion results.

also willing to vote AE but I prefer fomar. its the same case but better.

So you moan about people just straight up believing Odd and then go for me the most vocal person about not being sure it can be trusted? While calling it fencesitting, there are plenty of people who are doing for more fencesitting than me. AlaskanEmily hasn't even voted once, Muffle has posted enough to be noticed but hasn't had anything useful, as soon as there was one vote on her she wrote that giant wall of nothing and then jumped on the Odd bandwagon. Lizardman_Princess has posted a bunch but their only insight was the bandwagon on Odd was suspicious but then they didn't vote on any of the people who voted Odd. OldPat kept up his vote on Demonlord for a while then admits it was a day 1 rng joke vote and cancels despite the fact Demonlord could be scum for taking part in the Odd bandwagon and says he was waiting for Cap to post.

Now that it's not 12:30am, I've had time to look up Joreon's Game of Thrones Mafia, Sansa Stark was scum, Grey Wind was a power role, fake claiming would have been easy enough and town/scum alignment wasn't obvious. My gut says that this game either scum were pre-warned the names of the town power roles (so they know who to avoid in fake claims) or they are drawing upon the same seven names as town are. So I don't see any reason why Frog has to be town, and infact a hidden extra vote sounds more like a scum power to me but there is obviously no support left to resume the Odd lynch.

I am not feeling the Cap_H lynch. I could consider AlaskanEmily mainly because she has held off voting completely but for now:

#lynch Muffle

For posting just enough to be noticed, distracting fluff and for her part and timing in joining the Odd bandwagon.

Jeroen_Sol

Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.

3885

04/27/2020 03:59 PM

4 hours remain in Day 1

oddRABBIT

I feel bored. How odd.

1979

04/27/2020 04:10 PM

Oh, shoot.

Uh...

What's the plan.

demonlord5000

680

04/27/2020 04:45 PM

I didn't realize the deadline was this close. It looks like fomar has the most votes right now, and I can get behind it because of this post.

author=Fomar0153
While I feel like most of what he said has to be true, I guess power roles are characters from Chrono Trigger - would be so easy to disprove.

Also on his abilities I can certainly believe someone has those abilities but whether or not they are his or have those names is not provable. From the rules:
When using a day action, I will make it public in my next votecount that a day action has been used, but not what action or by whom.

Certainly someone could fakeclaim a character, but it's highly risky day 1, and he could of very easily gotten counter claimed by claiming frog. Those abilities are consistently named with the character he claimed, and their were no counterclaims, so the odd of fake claiming is fairly unlikely.

Also, odd's power is actually provable which makes me believe it even more, because it says it adds a ??? voter, which would actually be visible in the thread.

#lynch fomar

Fomar0153

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04/27/2020 04:49 PM

author=demonlord5000
Certainly someone could fakeclaim a character, but it's highly risky day 1, and he could of very easily gotten counter claimed by claiming frog. Those abilities are consistently named with the character he claimed, and their were no counterclaims, so the odd of fake claiming is fairly unlikely.

Also, odd's power is actually provable which makes me believe it even more, because it says it adds a ??? voter, which would actually be visible in the thread.

You've completely ignored several points I made. Let me put it this way if scum are not sharing the same names with town i.e. the player characters. Then nothing is preventing a mass claim and solving this game right now. If you just blindly accept that Frog must be town then scum are going to have a very easy time.

Sure Odd's power is provable but does it sound like a town ability? It sure doesn't to me.

demonlord5000

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04/27/2020 05:21 PM

I read them, but I also likes cap's points better. It's certainly possible scum have town sounding names, but I'd rather not vote for it day 1. I haven't entirely discounted the possibility of a cap/odd team either, but those comments came after odd was no longer under fire, so it's not like he was defending him from a tough spot.

If I were to vote anyone else right now, It's probably be muffle because no real content (although I did enjoy the don't lynch the muffle), or emily simply because she still hasn't voted with 4 hours left. She still had over 24 hours to make one when I commented on her before, but now it's starting to look bad.

Fomar0153

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04/27/2020 05:35 PM

So you like this point?

author=Cap_H
Fomar trying to solve odd based on him claiming a positive character from Chrono Trigger was basically him trying to find a way to keep odd suspicious.

#lynch Fomar

@cave, just one remark. I think it's way easier for scum to call the claim real here and just go with it. So, if Fomar's town one or more of LockeZ/Demonlord/AEmily aren't town.

So demonlord you no longer consider Odd suspicious?

Fomar0153

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04/27/2020 05:36 PM

And weren't just trying to bandwagon a second time?

AlaskanEmily

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04/27/2020 05:41 PM

I do agree that there are other people who aren't particularly committal, including me. I didn't vote on Odd when I said I didn't like his video post because I was wary of putting us one away from hammer on him at like 30 hours remaining. I also see the case on Fomar for multiple posts with kind of thin content.

I also kind of don't think that much of the content he has pointed out. I'm not really sure why Fomar is going after Odd this hard, particularly the way he is. I thought that having an extra secret vote was almost always a town power, and being able to restore MP doesn't seem all that scummy to me? And as Demon points out, he claimed a power which he can actually prove he has (well, or he's scum and his scumbuddy has, but still).

#Lynch Fomar

demonlord5000

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04/27/2020 05:43 PM

author=Cap_H
Odd's posting here is way more out there and I dare to say almost confident. I think that it's because his claim's real and the previous game's probably why he claimed so early.

I believe the claim for more reason. There's a chance that role like this is a mafia role and mafia can benefit from secret votes and it def can cause some chaos, but double voters, mayors and tie breakers are more frequently town roles. What makes me even more confident is his second claimed power. Townread scum can easily manipulate town into giving mana to them. So, it's a role, which has a great potential only as a town role as both sides can benefit from good/bad use of powers odd has.

It also to some degree explains odds previous unusual behaviour. He voted early on because he has a lynch manipulating power.

Ofc, as a good mafia player you should be able to read odd without his meta from older games. It's difficult sometimes, because odd's rarely this active and you can't take a lot from his actions. Fortunately, there are other ways like finding everyone else impossible to be mafia late game.

This is the post I liked, and yes I believe odd's claim. I do not currently think odd is scum, but if he were to flip I would look at a cap/odd team at that time.

My vote choices this day phase would be you, muffle, or ae as I said. We also only have 4 hours so I just went with the logical choice since you have the most votes.

Also, if you are still here odd, it may be worth considering using your power to prevent a no lynch if we can't get enough people before the day ends.

Fomar0153

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04/27/2020 05:51 PM

I'm almost leaning Odd/Demonlord for scum. Though if everyone is right about Odd then Cave successfully found 2 town power roles on day 1.

Screw it. Hi I'm actually Chrono not my lovely Mojo, no I won't reveal my abilities.

AlaskanEmily

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04/27/2020 05:52 PM

Also I have no idea when anything happens in Chrono Trigger. But Cave said there would be robots in the future.

#travel 2300 A.D

Fomar0153

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04/27/2020 05:55 PM

Also I think I finally made my mind up about Cap_H, in his first post he revealed he had inside knowledge of the fact that power roles were characters. So he's either another power role or scum. Considering how he doesn't accept the possibility of Odd/Frog being scum.

#cancel lynch
#lynch Cap_H

Fomar0153

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04/27/2020 06:00 PM

author=Cap_H
Can we claim our characters?

Here's that post. If he is town then there's no way this went unnoticed by scum anyway.

author=AlaskanEmily
Also I have no idea when anything happens in Chrono Trigger. But Cave said there would be robots in the future.

#travel 2300 A.D

Thanks for reminding me, I no longer trust Cave/Robo so I'm no longer happy with that as the time period.

#cancel Time Travel
#travel 600 A.D

Jeroen_Sol

Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.

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04/27/2020 06:01 PM

A Day action has been used!

Day 1 Lynch Votecount as of 2020-04-27, 20:02 CEST:

CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 0 - ~~demonlord5000~~
oddRABBIT: 0 - ~~CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK~~, ~~Fomar0153~~, ~~demonlord5000~~, ~~Muffle~~
LockeZ: 1 - ~~Muffle~~, Lizardman_Princess
demonlord5000: 0 - ~~psy_wombats~~, ~~OldPat~~
psy_wombats: 0 - ~~Cap_H~~
Cap_H: 3 - ~~psy_wombats~~, LockeZ, oddRABBIT, Fomar0153
Muffle: 0 - ~~psy_wombats~~, ~~Fomar0153~~
AlaskanEmily: 1 - psy_wombats
Fomar0153: 4 - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Cap_H, demonlord5000, AlaskanEmily

Not voting: 2 - Muffle, OldPat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 1 Time Travel Votecount as of 2020-04-27, 20:02 CEST:

65000000 B.C.: 1 - Muffle
600 A.D: 5 - LockeZ, psy_wombats, oddRABBIT, demonlord5000, Fomar0153
2300 A.D.: 5 - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, ~~psy_wombats~~, Cap_H, ~~Fomar0153~~, OldPat, ~~LockeZ~~, ~~oddRABBIT~~, ~~demonlord5000~~, Lizardman_Princess, AlaskanEmily

Not voting: 0

Day 1 will end 2020-04-27, 22:00 CEST, in about 2 hours, or when hammer is reached.

Cap_H

DIGITAL IDENTITY CRISIS

6625

04/27/2020 06:02 PM

#cancel lynch

This wagon's getting wild

Fomar0153

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04/27/2020 06:06 PM

No point getting off it now just because I used my day action.

oddRABBIT

I feel bored. How odd.

1979