DOZEN'S PROFILE

author=Nekochi
Just because you don't find terms like mentally challenged to be offensive doesn't mean that's true of everyone who is "mentally challenged."

I can see your point with this last one. I'm sorry. The rest before is another story, but let that be a topic for another day.

author=Nekochi
My objection to the term is not completely to the term itself, but to how you're using it. I don't know about Kyouki, but Keika and Junko definitely are not mentally challenged. Keika is a little spacey and she might have ADD, but that does not make someone mentally challenged.

I hear you. I have ADHD; I never mentioned it here because I hardly ever considered it more than an annoyance(the lack of spatial sense especially; it can be embarrassing when you freerun for a hobby but can't tie your shoes for yourself. Good luck explaining that one). Now, I know it's not exactly the same thing... but I doubt Keika has any of the sort. All weirdness we seem to have in common is the questionable pastime of sneaking up on people. I was thinking of an early onset of something much, much worse>.>

author=Nekochi
I think of mentally challenged as referring to something more permanent and built in, such as autism (and even then I'd use mentally ill over mentally challenged, since mentally challenged strikes me as being too close to calling someone an idiot).

Mentally challenged is a wide category. Idiots and retards are a kind of it, not the whole. The challenged part of the phrase means 'impeded due to a disability', and mental disorders are disabilities. Depression is a mood disorder(you probably know that, I'm just trying to make a point). My disorder affects the personality. Autism is developmental. Your head has a lot of parts that can go astray in a plenthora of disturbing ways. And you're saying you're getting better.
I'm jealous of you.
Look at my posts, Nekochi! Count how many of them hasn't been edited! I waste hours at the end to make sure my posts sound at least a faint brand of interesting! Sometimes, I edit posts I wrote half a year ago on the off-chance someone reads it! It's an incredible waste of my time. Nobody in his right mind would ever do that. But if I don't...if I just so much as think I turned someone away from me, it eats away at me. And you can't edit speech. One little mistake gives me months worth of nightmares. I clearly remember every time I messed up, or thought I messed up. I can't forget any of it. I can't afford myself to forget. The only thing that at least distracts me from it is praise. Every time somebody is nice to me, I get a few moments... those short, precious moments, when I don't care about that. When I feel like I worth something. And then, when those who praised me are angry with me or talk me down, I snap. I can't help thinking it was something I said, or they just pretended to like me so they can hurt me later. That's why it looks like I overreact to or lie about everything! But I don't. It really feels worse! What people think means the world to me. And... I'm afraid. I'm so afraid. I'm afraid I hurt you, I'm afraid I hurt Marrend, I'm afraid you're hurting me on purpose, I'm afraid I'll never figure out which one is true, and I'm afraid because it doesn't matter which one. I either decide you're bad people and act like it or cry lamenting just how horrible I am before I escape into a fantasy world where people would never leave me. It doesn't make sense. And it's pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
But it's not that bad.
I understand that, you don't have to tell me. I couldn't figure out what autism exactly means yet, but those few parts I could wrap my head around make me consider myself lucky I don't have it. I'm ready to admit, any problem that haunts you for your entire life is lot worse of a problem than mine or yours. The borderline part of my disorder should disappear if I live long enough(don't ask why, nobody has a decent idea), which I'm thankful for. HPD can only be 'cured' in theory; normal treatment never fixed it. The only procedure that actually could do something about it so far is lobotomy, one I'd stay far, far away from, but the fact we know where the problem is gives me hope that somebody will figure out something better in my lifetime. But you can't tell me they don't make life harder. Yours does too, doesn't it? It's a challenge, hence why someone with a disorder is challenged. Normally there's no hidden meaning behind that. Those who use it as an euphemism for idiots can go screw themselves. Because this? The only reason you couldn't call my little self-perpetuating personal hell a "challenge" because it's an understatement.

And I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt anyone. I'm a fool, these sort of things happen. I shouldn't have assumed you don't know what you're talking about. Please, don't take it out on me. Not until you've at least tried to explain what did I do wrong. Like you did. Now I can see what I've done, and understand why you're upset. I promise I can do better. ... Okay? Christmas Special Pinky Swear? T-T

Marrend, Shiftin'! I've finished Fran's route again! I have to say, I'm quite impressed! Tsubasa act a lot more like herself, and the story has accuracy to it(you used the word 'dreamscape', too!:D How did Fran ever learned it is beyond me, but hey.). Still, we have a lot work to do!*determined*

As you said, there is no emotional connection to speak of, not yet. Luckily for us, you ignored certain parts of the story I proposed before.(Yes, that's lucky, as you are because I noticed, Marrend-.-)It opens up more possibilities. But more on that later! I think we better go for a step by step approach, so you will read everything. The first thing we need to take care of is the woes of our ghostie, or rather the lack of them.

Fran, when not struggling to keep her "body" in the material realm to take a few bites, in stuck in a place the size of a bedroom, completely alone save for some idiots who shrugged her off as a dream, for who knows how long, has no idea how or why she got there to begin with, and all ill she appears to feel towards her state is annoyance. It's not as bad as before, but even so, she doesn't seem to care for it most of the time. The player saving her now pits him with about as much graditude as if he squished a bug that happened to bother her for months. For most people, that's hardly how it works. She should be desperate for contact and answers by now,(assuming she hasn't gone barking mad before the two met) and it should show, so Fran has a reason to like the Player more over it. Fair enough?

P.S.: Don't write events after the last one just yet.

author=triad2
@dozen i apoligise i really saw mayu as about average intelligence and on par with the player

We're going to get a d20 character sheet roundup eventually. And by get I mean 'I'm going to sit down and deduct everyone's stats like the nerd I am.' Suppository! And it would be useful too, apparently.

author=triad2
I respectfuly disagree.

And now I'd have to quote Gunnery Chief Williams if there was someone on this planet who haven't heard that line yet.

author=triad2
the friends thing i felt that it would have been a blow to her ego putting her hand out there just to get it slapped

Even if she did get caught up on that(which I highly doubt), that's nowhere close to how she handles stress. Hers involves punching people. That has been extablished for a long while. She doesn't want more friends, and not going to get upset about someone refusing to be hers.

author=triad2
granted she's not tsubasa or masako, but i feel she is at least as intelligent as miki, or the player.

What we feel is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to headwork, padre. Keep your frontal lobe's activity where it belongs and use the rest of your brain. If I was listening to my feelings, I'd shut up to defend yours, and in the end we'd get another patchwork of a route, as well as naked pictures of me I posted for attention before I smacked my keyboard apart in my perpetual rage.

When you think about it, you realize Mayu is not smart. In fact, she might be the dumbest of the cast(not that it means much with all the geniuses running around). In every scene we see her act stupid, ignorant, dense, not holding back her frenzy in the slightest. No person who has a respectable level of smarts and intelligence does these constantly, let alone intentionally. If you don't believe her to be so, prove it.

And lastly, regarding feelings. I feel you're an ass for disregarding Marrend's work, and not only downplaying Mayu's shortcomings, but ignoring everything we know about her character -her style of speech, her motivations, her very being- by showing her as an entirely different person to support your petty image of her role in your route that is obviously cares solely for showing off Yoko's wackiness. Because that's all there is to it, isn't that right? The whole point of the scene is to show Yoko's characterization, how and why she would refuse the friendship. You don't give shit about whether Mayu would ask in the first place or not, and make up silly excuses so you don't have to rewrite this piece of story you grew attached to. I feel like you should stop that. I let you get away with this line of "logic" when no one hears the tree fall, but when you cause problems to others, I'm not having it. You don't have to listen to me of course, if you upload it in this form it's on your soul. I hope I'm making myself clear.

author=triad2
most have been changed to izumi's lines like i meant em to be, i think anyway, maybe i did mess up again i will have to play test it later

Ah, so I see you switched the ID. Exquisite, but now 1. the other lines still sound nothing like Mayu(where's the agressiveness? The profanity? The style?) and 2. the player calls Izumi Mayu.