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I Hate RMVX
author=WIP
Well I did say "nobody should make RM2k3 games" implying that there is in fact a choice there. You shouldn't use really old tools, but you can if you want.
My statement was more trying to mock calunio's "period" statement.
Okay, I'll concede that to you. I honestly didn't make the connection between the two statements (and I don't agree with the totalitarian statements of the original blog posting either).
I Hate RMVX
However if you have been working on your RM2k3 for THIS LONG since VX came out, you have serious development problems that need to be looked at anyway.
This is a good point. I have not, in fact, been working on it THAT long. However, I have also not been on "the scene" of RPG making for a while, so I also haven't had the time (or the energy) to pick up XP/VX scripting language and learn the maker etc. So in this case, the wall of transition is not in actually transferring the game project, but the learning curve of trying to make it on something totally foreign to me.
Again: I never said I was Anti-XP or Anti-VX. I support anybody who wishes to use them, and your reasons for choosing to use them are completely valid. But I find it very interesting that you "want to get people to try out new things" - translation is "want to get people to use only the newest things," given your original statement.
My point is still this: Don't tell other people what to use and what not to use. It's condescending, arrogant and elitist.
how can an rpg be denied
author=halfdead
it is about collecting the rings but instead of the demon appearing when you collect the rings the demon can only be defeated when the rings are brought together otherwise he is unable to be attacked and he tricked the leading characters father before but he was able to beat the demon with the sword which appears after the rings are together. when the rings are united a sword appears but only when the rings are together.
So every RPG ever.
Also: Does a sword appear?
I Hate RMVX
I Hate RMVX
author=WIP
Now just imagine how much better the MUD would be made if he wasn't using old software.
Realize that most people who run the Anti-RMVX flag do not realize that the DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE is just as important if not more than the featureset. How long does it take you to show a custom window in RM2k3 vs. RMVX? How fast can you make the changes you want?
If it takes me (RMVX) one day to accomplish what takes you (RM2k3) a week, why on earth would I use something that would waste my time? It's the same thing with this DikuMUD. Yeah it works, but if there was something that offered an equivalent experience with half the development time, it would be logically foolish to not use it.
There is a serious divide between people who just like to fuck around with RM and those who actually want to create something with it. If you are happy being in the former party, fine. You can use whatever you want for fun and experience and there is nothing wrong with that. But if you are actually trying to create and accomplish, then willingly handicapping yourself over some religious-like furor defeats the entire purpose.
My "furor" is hardly "religious." And I NEVER claimed to be Anti-RMVX or RMXP in any way. I'm simply questioning the religious furor with which the Anti-RM2k3 flag is raised.
Now, the reason a more modern system isn't used is because of the ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE amount of transitional work required. So much has been done within an outdated system that at this point it's more counterproductive than not to attempt to convert the entire project.
My question is what, exactly, are you trying to accomplish? Impressing other people who make games as a hobby? Good for you. Trying to make a commercially viable game that you can make money off of? Good luck to you.
I Hate RMVX
author=Saileriusauthor=VersaliaMany artists aren't Leonardo da Vinci.author=SaileriusMany artists using "today's tools" do not come close to what he made.author=KarsumanIndeed. Just imagine what he could have made if he had access to today's tools.
hey you know the paint leonardo da vinci used to make his paintings?
they don't make it anymore. it's outdated.
To take a slightly different spin, I've seen some pretty AWESOME and intense macaroni art. Is it inherently better or worse than a good painting? How about a good clay sculpture?
I Hate RMVX
His code is a derivative of DikuMUD which is incredibly patchy, outdated and hard to work with - he is NOT, in fact, using the most modern programming tools. My point totally stands - he is working within an outdated, limited medium and still producing an enjoyable and interesting game.
I Hate RMVX
author=Saileriusauthor=KarsumanIndeed. Just imagine what he could have made if he had access to today's tools.
hey you know the paint leonardo da vinci used to make his paintings?
they don't make it anymore. it's outdated.
Many artists using "today's tools" do not come close to what he made.
I Hate RMVX
author=CrazeVersaliaOr practical, pragmatic and useful.WIPYour attitude is absurd
Nobody should make RM2k3 games these days. Period.
Not everybody's bottom line is practicality. I have a friend who is a fantastic programmer and could work in any medium he wanted. However, he CHOOSES to design a MUD. Not because it is practical, pragmatic and useful, but because it is his preferred medium. He likes the old-school feel, the way colored forms of text play out over the screen, etc. It's also even MORE rewarding to work within a very limited system yet still manage to come up with something innovative and/or enjoyable. It's like telling an artist "nobody should be finger painting." Who the hell are you to look down your nose at someone's medium, if what they produce is still enjoyable on some level?
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