ULTIMA FANTASY MAFIA - GAME ON! [POSTGAME]
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Im also just not rushing into anything day 1 like last game, that shit nearly got me killed
author=psy_wombats
oh Cap_H if this is some sort of role-playing thing, then I'm going to bop you with my crook
You got me boped. I admit i read too many Crusader Kings AARs and this my first mafia in years and first ever online with swords and shields.
Being confusing is fun either.
Hmmm, I'm still unsure about Cap, so I'll #cancel for now but honestly, I have zero clue, right now I'm hoping for a gut feeling to emerge.
Cap while he seems like possibly a role, seems hard to place, and therefore I believe he's joking, whether as a mafia tactic or just to save his butt, I dunno.
Psy has a good point about LockeZ, but I'm not really catching any scum tells from LockeZ or anyone else either... Damm the mafia are good this time, seriously, I'm drawing a blank completely.
I wanna hear from Xoe too, but I'm not sure when they'll get here.
Cap while he seems like possibly a role, seems hard to place, and therefore I believe he's joking, whether as a mafia tactic or just to save his butt, I dunno.
Psy has a good point about LockeZ, but I'm not really catching any scum tells from LockeZ or anyone else either... Damm the mafia are good this time, seriously, I'm drawing a blank completely.
I wanna hear from Xoe too, but I'm not sure when they'll get here.
christ, as soon as I actually get a clue who's scum, then all of a sudden everyone's struck by a mass plague of indecision
Yeah, I guess I just don't buy it, but I get your point, urgh, I dunno, I'll wait for someone else to say somethibg, right now my thoughts are scattered.
Trying to get TL to confirm is just a townie is kinda sketchy, yeah, but would a Mafia need 100% confirmation like that? I would have thought the Mafia would be trying to keep it a secret that they knew who the vanilla Townies were..
Re TangledLion: Yes, okay, should probably just give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just making his posts easier to read for the sake of Town.
#cancel
Re TangledLion: Yes, okay, should probably just give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just making his posts easier to read for the sake of Town.
#cancel
Looks like xoe might die from default which is sad. Where are you!?
author=psy_wombats
I think you screwed up, LockeZ.
To start, odd is almost definitely innocent. He's wondering aloud who the town roles are. It's the exact same mistake IF made last game, and I pointed it out then too. And he was innocent. So unless oddrabbit exhaustively read last game and then decided to give himself some sort of backwards cover, you can exonerate odd. Hell, you even acknowledge he's playing exactly as usual.
this isn't very hard interaction to fake and you should try not to let yourself get swept up by stuff like that. here watch.
hmmm i wonder who the seer is XD
The only people who benefit from daykilling a 99% innocent like odd are the mafia. Half the game is exonerating people. Killing off known (unhelpful) town is only something I've seen argued for by two people: you in the spy v spy game (you were scum) and piano in the last game (piano was scum). If you're not scum, please rethink your strategy.
this is a false narrative. first of all, the evidence that you find compelling enough to proclaim odd 99% innocent town (which seems tenuous at best) was only explained in the post i am quoting, the same one where you chastise lockez for ignoring said evidence. someone can only be blamed for intentionally ignoring something they were aware of, like when I pleaded at that one UN meeting for Yellow Magic not to be released from his subterranean geodesic three-layer ice prison and they ignored me.
I think it's a >50% shot you /are/ scum though. Voting against odd straight off (soft target) isn't great, but I think it's more telling you switched for me immediately after arguing why you normally do the opposite. The only reason I can think of for this is that either 1) YM's accusation of Tangled is correct or 2) one of your allies also has a vote on them and possibly some heat, so you jumped to an arbitrary person with a vote against them. It's the opposite of your stated behavior. I'd say it feels like a coward's vote but that got me nowhere against Gourd last game so w/e. Not to mention you're trying get Tangled to explicitly confirm to you that he has no role, which is always useful for mafia to know, and 100% pointless for us to know because he's nowhere close to being lynched.
can you elaborate on why YM accusing tangled of capital letters violence would have something to do with lockez voting you?
Cave pulling a reverse psychology thing and actually being the seer this game is 100% plausible though. XD
The only argument psy put forth about LockeZ that seemed compelling was LockeZ getting TL to confirm he had no role. Because that kind of thing only helps mafia. Of course, it's entirely possible that LockeZ was just curious, and like YM said, it seems a bit strange for a mafia member to want a straight up confirmation.
This post kind of weirds me out.
The only argument psy put forth about LockeZ that seemed compelling was LockeZ getting TL to confirm he had no role. Because that kind of thing only helps mafia. Of course, it's entirely possible that LockeZ was just curious, and like YM said, it seems a bit strange for a mafia member to want a straight up confirmation.
author=psy_wombats
christ, as soon as I actually get a clue who's scum, then all of a sudden everyone's struck by a mass plague of indecision
This post kind of weirds me out.
I'm also going to point out that Kloe is being strangely cautious today? She seemed a lot more reckless in the other games I played with her.
author=Kloe
Hmmm, I'm still unsure about Cap, so I'll #cancel for now but honestly, I have zero clue, right now I'm hoping for a gut feeling to emerge.
Cap while he seems like possibly a role, seems hard to place, and therefore I believe he's joking, whether as a mafia tactic or just to save his butt, I dunno.
Psy has a good point about LockeZ, but I'm not really catching any scum tells from LockeZ or anyone else either... Damm the mafia are good this time, seriously, I'm drawing a blank completely.
I wanna hear from Xoe too, but I'm not sure when they'll get here.
author=Kloe
Yeah, I guess I just don't buy it, but I get your point, urgh, I dunno, I'll wait for someone else to say somethibg, right now my thoughts are scattered.
These last two posts in particular. She's not gunning as hard for cap as I feel like she would be doing. She's also complimenting how well the mafia are doing on day 1... Subtle compliment for herself? It's certainly too early to tell if mafia are actually doing so well. And then she's being indecisive on the LockeZ front...
author=Kloeauthor=Cap_HNow this is interesting, first talk about hammers, now talk about "religious books" and runes, this seems like a bad attempt at a role claim of blacksmith or Mage, someone hinting at BOTH seems to be neither, I find that suspicious Cap.
So, I'm back. It took me long to read runes as I learned it in my adulthood so I could pursue my hobby and read religious books.
#cancel, #lynch Cap
they're basically leaving very obvious breadcrumbs for white mage. I don't see this as being ambiguous enough to be 'blacksmith or mage.'
its still bad though because, there is zero motivation for any member of town to be claiming white mage this hard. white mage would have no reason to breadcrumb like this. other town members certainly don't have a reason to do so. the only reason you would do something like this is if you were scum, baiting the actual person who had the role you were breadcrumbing to reply in a way that made it obvious as to what they were. also the rest of cap's posts are freakin weird.
#cancel
#lynch cap_h
I don't know if anyone here is going to gun hard for initial Day 1 lynch votes, considering they're often based on guesses and subjective shit anyway.
In fact, I'm going to #cancel and change my vote to #lynch Cap_H based on the reasons Cave just pointed out.
Like, why on Earth would a White Mage out themselves like that when it means that doing so would make the nightkilling process EASY for mafia. I really think they would have to be something else.
Like, why on Earth would a White Mage out themselves like that when it means that doing so would make the nightkilling process EASY for mafia. I really think they would have to be something else.
Z is definitely right on the "Try to lynch someone useless" thing, if you are sure they are vanilla or scum. The fact is that he is craZy good at this game makeing him a asset if he is town... That being said, if he IS scum it makes him just a dangerous, if he hadn't called me out on my capitalization as MR. Orange(Something only he had done previously) and used a odd insult like "Snurdbugler" I honestly don't think we would have got him at all in Spy Vs.
I'm not saying to kill, or spare him, but the first of mafia on this site, is definitely to keep an eye on LockeZ and Liberty(Who isn't in this of course)
I'm not saying to kill, or spare him, but the first of mafia on this site, is definitely to keep an eye on LockeZ and Liberty(Who isn't in this of course)
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
this isn't very hard interaction to fake and you should try not to let yourself get swept up by stuff like that. here watch.
hmmm i wonder who the seer is XD
Yeah, it's not hard to fake, but I don't think oddrabbit is the kind of player that would try to fake that. If it was you or me trying it yeah people would rightfully be sounding the alarm gongs.
this is a false narrative. first of all, the evidence that you find compelling enough to proclaim odd 99% innocent town (which seems tenuous at best) was only explained in the post i am quoting, the same one where you chastise lockez for ignoring said evidence. someone can only be blamed for intentionally ignoring something they were aware of, like when I pleaded at that one UN meeting for Yellow Magic not to be released from his subterranean geodesic three-layer ice prison and they ignored me.
The above is just my evidence for odd's innocence. LockeZ stated earlier he thought odd was behaving exactly as he normally does, which I took as "odd is unsuspicious, but let's sacrifice him anyway because it's easy." Unless when LockeZ said odd was behaving as normal he meant to imply he still suspected him. I could buy it but that post still made me think he was retroactively acknowledging odd was unsuspicious. It's not much but it's part of a whole.
I would hope no one is still suspicious of odd, though. If I'm honest it's more like 70-80% confidence than 99% but I'm feeling pretty decent.
can you elaborate on why YM accusing tangled of capital letters violence would have something to do with lockez voting you?
It's just timing conjecture. He put his vote on me abruptly and I don't quite buy the reasoning -- he's aware there's no such thing as a no-lynch, so why would he accuse me of arguing for it? etc. It just felt like voting for anyone. I couldn't think of any other event that would cause the turnaround. Although it doesn't quite work because of how LockeZ treated Tangled afterwards though -- if they were both scum, I wouldn't expect a direct bailout.
@YM: while mafia wouldn't need 100% confirmation, town would need it even less. It doesn't even make sense in the naive "you must be the blacksmith, we'll protect you" sense. I'd for sure like to hear an explanation.
@Gourd: you'd think that if LockeZ was innocent, some scum would've tried to turn this into a bandwagon, but instead a bunch of triggerhappy players started hesitating. Or maybe this is just a lot less compelling an argument than I thought, ugh
#lynch cap_h does seem like a solid bet, as(From CAVE's logic) he is either:
1.Vannila Town trying to selfishly save his own skin from lynching
2.Scum, pure and simple
3.The WORST WMage EVER... Of all time.
I'm ok with getting rid of any of these.
1.Vannila Town trying to selfishly save his own skin from lynching
2.Scum, pure and simple
3.The WORST WMage EVER... Of all time.
I'm ok with getting rid of any of these.