[MAFIA] SIMPLE MAFIA FOR NORMAL PEOPLE

author=psy_wombats
In that case, a reveal would be worth it I'd think. But anyway, still waiting on Gourd before putting anything together I guess.

Wait, like, a power role revealing themself would be worth it? Why?

author=Gourd_Clae
After yesterday I don't have much of a read on him still. I can't say he exhibited much scum behavior near the end of the day that I noticed. I compared myself to him because I was responding to your post earlier that also compared the two of us. Sorry for not quoting that in the original post that probably cause a little unneeded confusion.
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author=Jeroen_Sol
I could have made this all one post, I guess, but I've noticed Gourd and LockeZ haven't really said much about the people who didn't get focussed on today, or if they have I've missed it.

Right, but what I meant with that post was that I wanted more information from both of you individually, and while you did answer, it also seemed like you were throwing shade at LockeZ, saying he posted less reads than you.

I guess if anything that makes a Gourd/LockeZ scumteam less likely though.

author=Ebeth
I'm strongly against the final PR revealing themselves right now unless they have actual useful info.

Exactly. The PR already knows what setup we're in, so they know whether or not there is a roleblocker. They are also the only person for whom that information is relevant, so there is no reason to tell this to the rest of town and get themselves nightkilled in the process.

Being the second day phase, I'd say it is pretty slim that the tracker got any information since there were a few good picks. Without a lucky pick the best they could do is prove that one person is town, but I would push it an extra day if that's all that they got.

Same deal with the roleblocker which is why it's unlikely that we have a jailkeeper. If we do they will probably die during the next night phase. I think this scenario is extremely unlikely though.

I still don't have any definite vibes yet. I would like to hear from IF again before I make up my mind. I dislike all the tracker hunting though in that I think if we do have one, they'd be smart enough on their own to know when to come forward.

@demon Yeah either PR should know when to call which is why I think it's a bad sign when someone brings it up unprompted -- easier for scum to talk about powers and setup than who they think is scum.

Anyway, nothing from Gourd really changes my opinion. Teamwise I think Gourd/LockeZ is unlikely and IF/Ebeth is unlikely. I don't think demon can be scum unless Jero is also scum and that team seems /really/ unlikely, so willing to rule him out. That leaves Jero (town at this point), Gourd (no real read), and IF (too few posts). I'm feeling better for Gourd and IF as town because they're Ebeth's two scumreads -- both seem very neutral to me and Ebeth seems scummy to me. Also it's feeling more likely that the scum run on Gourd wasn't all town, in which case I'm willing to remove Jero and call one of <Gourd, Ebeth> as scum.

My current thoughts are LockeZ/Ebeth scumteam for some individual reasons (everything about Ebeth yesterday is valid, LockeZ's cap hunt is still awful) and they're the only viable pair where I could spot team play. I think LockeZ tries to help Ebeth yesterday in three spots: trying to start a train on Cap, voting against Isrieri, and finally that "analysis" post that Ebeth is engaging while Isrieri is not. Also, weaker, but today Ebeth clarifies for LockeZ, identifies LockeZ as her only "I don't have a read." I had originally thought Ebeth was less likely to be scum after the close call yesterday but I missed that LockeZ's Cap vote was likely the "subtle" defense he tried before going for a more overt defense as the situation got more dire. Plus both are the only two to unprompted bring up setup, when this is the one thing scum already knows. It reads in both cases like playing dumb.

Summary:
Townish: demon, Jeroen
??: IF, Gourd
Scummish: LockeZ, Ebeth

#lynch LockeZ to make it even but I could do either.

@LockeZ: Were you trying to bait scum with this post or did you think at this point Cap was scum? https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/23154/?post=826011#post826011 -- This is the primary reason why I don't think your late vote on Cap was just to see who would get on board. This comes /after/ Isrieri very explicitly points out Cap is likely PR.

Alright, got it. I wasn't sure if a mis-lynch this day phase would cause us to lose or not after doing the math. Also on the subject of ebeth/lockez scumteam, they also both called me out on being inactive, but I personally don't think I have inactive. Small observation I just made, and I personally think I've been decently active.

author=psy_wombats
@LockeZ: Were you trying to bait scum with this post or did you think at this point Cap was scum? https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/23154/?post=826011#post826011 -- This is the primary reason why I don't think your late vote on Cap was just to see who would get on board. This comes /after/ Isrieri very explicitly points out Cap is likely PR.

I thought Cap was screwing with us. You were acting like he was suddenly ultra-trustworthy, and that sat the wrong way with me because he hadn't actually revealed anything. I mean, I still think my argument there made sense at the time.

You're trying to misrepresent what I said to make me sound suspicious now and I don't appreciate it. I never implied that my vote on Cap was "just" to see who would get on board; I specifically said that it was "also" for that reason. Arguing against a strawman stance that I didn't actually take is another scum tactic. Try again.

I wanted it to succeed if he was scum.