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[MAFIA] SPY VS. MAFIA II DAY 3
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Cap_H
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Closeauthor=psy_wombats
@demon: it helps us determine if his claim is legit. How are calling him a "basically confirmed agent," all he is is a claimed agent. Reasons I doubt it:
- claimed to be a bodyguard, was reminded the only role is "agent," decided he was actually a paper bag owner
- told people to not counterclaim for some reason whereas a legit agent would have agentchat to clear this play beforehand... But makes no mention of the input of the other agents
- i believe items are oneshot
@ozzy if what you're describing is accurate, then the aliases should just be that: aliases. How would stating them compromise other agents? Are they not anonymous?
Frankly, this isn't towny reaction to a self-resolving claim of a role, which is crucially important for town.
psy_wombats
13315
Anyway, the items:
Demonlord - non-vanilla, item at start
Oddrabbit - non-vanilla, item at start
Jeroen - non-vanilla, item at start
Ozzy - non-vanilla, item at start
psy - vanilla, item dropped in
LockeZ - vanilla, item dropped in
AE - vanilla, item dropped in
cap - vanillaish - claims item dropped in
cave - ??? - claims no item
Basically, I think the setup works such that the agents and spies all have their fixed items from the start, and town gets an assortment of items randomly showered on them as the game progresses. Like cave said, that Jero has a vest implies some degree of deliberate item placement. It'd also be why piano was so pissed at us for grousing about setup balance... the actual "setup" between the important people would be balanced, and the game-breaking items are where they should be.
Possibility: cap is lying about receiving the vest vs starting with the vest. No other items have appeared at start of day. I think cap lying is unlikely, since piano got so defensive about his setup balance and having scum with lynchproof is duuumb if town has no nightkills. Plus cap blew the trumpet which had a fair chance to completely screw him. (was kind of hoping cap would claim to start with the cake in which case we could kill him immediately)
#lynch cavedog in conclusion - he's probably holding some damning scum item
I also think he realized this thing about the item setup earlier than me which is why he immediately re-FOS'd me when I brought up this plan, and has been adverse to a massclaim.
Demonlord - non-vanilla, item at start
Oddrabbit - non-vanilla, item at start
Jeroen - non-vanilla, item at start
Ozzy - non-vanilla, item at start
psy - vanilla, item dropped in
LockeZ - vanilla, item dropped in
AE - vanilla, item dropped in
cap - vanillaish - claims item dropped in
cave - ??? - claims no item
Basically, I think the setup works such that the agents and spies all have their fixed items from the start, and town gets an assortment of items randomly showered on them as the game progresses. Like cave said, that Jero has a vest implies some degree of deliberate item placement. It'd also be why piano was so pissed at us for grousing about setup balance... the actual "setup" between the important people would be balanced, and the game-breaking items are where they should be.
Possibility: cap is lying about receiving the vest vs starting with the vest. No other items have appeared at start of day. I think cap lying is unlikely, since piano got so defensive about his setup balance and having scum with lynchproof is duuumb if town has no nightkills. Plus cap blew the trumpet which had a fair chance to completely screw him. (was kind of hoping cap would claim to start with the cake in which case we could kill him immediately)
#lynch cavedog in conclusion - he's probably holding some damning scum item
I also think he realized this thing about the item setup earlier than me which is why he immediately re-FOS'd me when I brought up this plan, and has been adverse to a massclaim.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
I guess I missed that Cave claims no item.
I was about to get pissed at you for explaining my theory before everyone had claimed.
I was about to get pissed at you for explaining my theory before everyone had claimed.
Fomar0153
16396
You missed me but yeah my item dropped in, that is logic I can get behind and makes complete sense in terms of balance.
I'm leaning cave.
Two questions about the cake Cap, did it say it would move onto someone else afterwards and was it automatic or did you have to decide to use it?
I'm leaning cave.
Two questions about the cake Cap, did it say it would move onto someone else afterwards and was it automatic or did you have to decide to use it?
author=psy_wombats
@demon: I asked for aliases not names. With the counterclaiming I'm confused why a real agent would say that as they are in communication with each other, and would not counter claim a real agent in the first place. Real agent would be telling the others not to /corroborate/ them, and they'd be doing that in agent chat.
I consider this to be an interesting comment, especially if you're aware of the first game.
author=psy_wombats
#cancel#lynch PlatinumAshes
It strikes me that if Ozzy really is a liar then the real agents already know this and will blow him up in the end game
Psy decided to avoid Demon wagon in the end. He interacted with Demon several times and I don't remember him townreading him before this vote. He was quite critical of his action and silent when it came to PA.
author=psy_wombats
#lynch Oddrabbithttps://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24744/?post=889327#post889327author=oddRABBIT
For one, if Jeroen is telling the truth in this instance, he basically just immediately claimed that he is in fact independent and can pretty much win as long as he doesn't die. Two, we don't know if PA is lying or not about the color scheming, and heck, we don't even know if any of the power roles in this game are based on color like (I think?) they were in the last one. They could be absolutely and completely different, like being named after famous terrorists/spies in real life, or like characters from spy movies or something.
Between this and the ""what are the chances I'm mafia twice in a row??"" I think this is Odd being flippant scum again. if he's agent, then, welp
The big leap is something only Jero mentioned. Here it looks little off as a reason to vote someone. The whole grey agent discussion following seems to be little bloated.
Honestly, lynching me yesterday would help town. Today, I can only urge you to trust me.
Ok, gotta go again. Not the most confident read.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
The fact that nobody else has claimed to start with an item means scum must have figured it out.
I wonder if brass instrument only spawns for people with no item? That would clear Psy, who got it D1, but not Cap, who got it after his cake broke.
I wonder if brass instrument only spawns for people with no item? That would clear Psy, who got it D1, but not Cap, who got it after his cake broke.
psy_wombats
13315
cave never directly claimed to have nothing, but here's his response after I proposed I was doing something with items and he needed to claim his: https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24744/?post=890357#post890357
which I interpreted to mean that cave would continue to be in the schrodinger state of having and not-having an item until it suited him not to
which I interpreted to mean that cave would continue to be in the schrodinger state of having and not-having an item until it suited him not to
#cancel
actually. One more thing, there are several snippets from Cave I find sus and one very towny sentence from Psy, in which he reminded me of the way Cave always makes us confess his purity. It might be the thing.
Like Cave's posting's less solid than psy, but there's also nothing to objectively grab and drag him through mud for.
The one major thing psy did was sticking with his Ozzy vote. But let's take a look at claims from scum's perspective. I'm more aware of red checks or counter claims. Wolves are more likely to vote their partners and follow the information than paranoid town. I need to think about it some more as here it seems to go a step further and psy would have to be very unfortunate with his d1 reads.
actually. One more thing, there are several snippets from Cave I find sus and one very towny sentence from Psy, in which he reminded me of the way Cave always makes us confess his purity. It might be the thing.
Like Cave's posting's less solid than psy, but there's also nothing to objectively grab and drag him through mud for.
The one major thing psy did was sticking with his Ozzy vote. But let's take a look at claims from scum's perspective. I'm more aware of red checks or counter claims. Wolves are more likely to vote their partners and follow the information than paranoid town. I need to think about it some more as here it seems to go a step further and psy would have to be very unfortunate with his d1 reads.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
Psy coming to the same conclusion I did makes me feel better about him.
And I do have a habit of townreading Cave for no reason in every single game he's in...
And I do have a habit of townreading Cave for no reason in every single game he's in...
I claimed an item eighty five times, just not what it was, because I can prove what it is, and that it sucks, right now.
There are 22 hours, 20 minutes left in the day phase.
Current vote count:
psy_wombats(2): LockeZ, Cap_H
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK(2): AlaskanEmily, psy_wombats
Not voting: CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, oddRABBIT, Jeroen_Sol, Fomar0153
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to hammer.
author=psy_wombats
I also think he realized this thing about the item setup earlier than me which is why he immediately re-FOS'd me when I brought up this plan, and has been adverse to a massclaim.
makes me feel better about my vote. I've made my reasons for voting you pretty clear, and they hadn't changed when I voted you, when this massclaim idea didn't exist yet.
I would've claimed my item if someone cool had asked me. it's a glove that piano incorrectly named the stupidity gauntlet instead of the idiocy gauntlet. It removes one person's votes for a dayphase, then it gets transferred to them. Has a small chance of backfiring and removing my own vote instead.
I assumed that piano was just rebalancing the game on the fly because I don't know what the point of giving someone, or several people, an item in the middle of day 1 is.
author=Jeroen_Sol
The fact that nobody else has claimed to start with an item means scum must have figured it out.
I wonder if brass instrument only spawns for people with no item? That would clear Psy, who got it D1, but not Cap, who got it after his cake broke.
I'd expect such a rule would apply to all items, not just the tuba. it would make sense as a way to prevent scum from eventually holding a horrible combination of three items at the same time. should be in the rules if true. or not fuck mafia players
@Cap quote them then
everyone else, please quote this post and vote on whether or not you would like the rest of this day to proceed in easy mode or hard mode.
everyone else, please quote this post and vote on whether or not you would like the rest of this day to proceed in easy mode or hard mode.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
@Cap quote them then
everyone else, please quote this post and vote on whether or not you would like the rest of this day to proceed in easy mode or hard mode.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Does one mode or the other make town more likely to win?
