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CloseYou're right, for someone who's always talking about who could be wolves, this is a little bit of a reversal for Cap's normal scumhunting behavior.
psy_wombats
13315
@demon: oh, you're right, I kind of assumed it was a typo
What /is/ that supposed to mean?
author=Gourd_Clae
It says my power can direct the person directing the nk who I assume is a head of some sort!
What /is/ that supposed to mean?
author=psy_wombatsauthor=pianotm^ and I'm not really sure how to interpret this because I know scum-Piano (much like scum-Liberty) loves to play mustache-twirling villain but I'm not sure where actively discouraging people from playing falls on that.OzzyTheOneThis is one of the things that's been pissing me off, lately. Quit telling other people how they're supposed to play the game. If you don't like it, maybe RMN mafia isn't for you.
Y'all need to stop meta-gaming. It makes me want to no longer play mafia.
I've even made this a scum-play at some point to yell at piano for this, I think he's my #2 or #2 priority vote at the moment. and if piano is town, lighten up Piano.
Psy certainly has some forced comments in his history. This is just one example, but his voting and reasons to suspect Hexa and Gourd both feel that way too and not really things you should advocate to lynch someone for.
author=psy_wombats
fomar's interactions with frogge and piano+liberty come as legit, I think he's fine at the moment. Because fomar was town-read for the sim stuff in the past, I'd expect scum-fomar to be playing up the math garbage at this point (yelling at piano for his bad odds) where he's mostly been playing better than that.
The famous defense of Fomar d1.
author=psy_wombats
#cancelI'm still dubious on Liberty because having the power to interview people is useless as an indie. Like piano's game, it's only valuable to her if she decides to go against her win condition and pick a side. @Liberty did you get knowledge of Gourd's job from the moderator, or did Gourd himself tell you it in chat?
Still waiting on Fomar's result. I'm struggling to understand how the game's balance works and his role on the face of it appears to be something I wouldn't be surprised would show up in scum hands, especially given it was claimed as "detective" at first -- wouldn't be surpised if he or his partner were "black hat hacker". Possibly he's given up and abandoned ship but that'd be surprising to me.
cap's reasoning seems very cap-ish but bunk because I don't buy that scum would care about casting the first vote against AE
I'm wondering if it's not worth looking further at why Ozzy was killed, my first guess was to implicate hex but this seems stupid when Frogge exists and can just as easily confirm him. I'll review tomorrow probably
And his second mention of Fomar. Feels like a part of the progression is missing. Let's check fomar's iso for any mentions of psy.
There are some rvs interactions, little meta when commenting on me, some random d2 interactions, which seem to be extremely forced on Fomar's side, psy's missing on Fomar's d1 list btw. Yeah, let's go
#lynch psy_wombats
author=psy_wombats
@demon: oh, you're right, I kind of assumed it was a typo
author=Gourd_Clae
It says my power can direct the person directing the nk who I assume is a head of some sort!
What /is/ that supposed to mean?
It's a typo like you said. Look back a page?
author=Gourd_Clae
Okay let me stop joking around lol. Cap is literally townreading everyone. Its almost like he knows everyone except him is town.
I don't. I just want my guts to be right about Esby and my wits about psy. Also, I don't tr Liberty, but we know she ain't from this town.
Fomar flipping town made me calm about Cave again and I was surprised by the message and ready to start writing about him possibly being a miller. It doesn't seem to be the case.
psy_wombats
13315
I'm struggling to see how spending two sentences declaring the scum "fine for now" on d1 then doubting them on d2 exactly counts as a case
I also seriously question the logic behind placing Liberty anywhere high priority in a kill list and leaving Gourd off it completely (and basically ignoring all the actual non-read evidence vs Gourd)
I also seriously question the logic behind placing Liberty anywhere high priority in a kill list and leaving Gourd off it completely (and basically ignoring all the actual non-read evidence vs Gourd)
demonlord5000
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The only reason I can see leaving gourd alive is if his block the nightmill thing is true. I kind of wish we got role specifics from libbies earlier interrogation. There's way too many suspicious elements surrounding him.
demonlord5000
680
Other thoughts: pianos observation of cap is interesting, I haven't seen him use wolves in a good bit. Psy is making decent arguments, and esby is just kind of there.
I forgot to write down when the day ends. It'll be October 4th, at 12:00 UTC, so if I'm doing my math right, in about 30 1/2 hours.
author=psy_wombats
I'm struggling to see how spending two sentences declaring the scum "fine for now" on d1 then doubting them on d2 exactly counts as a case
I also seriously question the logic behind placing Liberty anywhere high priority in a kill list and leaving Gourd off it completely (and basically ignoring all the actual non-read evidence vs Gourd)
I read lil g's posts yesterday and found them convincingly towny. I know the case is a weak, but the I'm too busy to read the rest of your posts, esby's posts and fomar's commentary on esby and libby to solve the game rn. I might do it tomorrow
demonlord5000
680
Does anyone know if gourd confirmed blocking fomar and gave reasoning behind blocking a possible role we could confirm? I cant easily check when looking for specific things while on mobile. I know fomar claimed being blocked, I just cant find gourds commentary on the matter.
Gourd has essentially been doomed by mechanics today. I'm not really convinced by the "I would have to be so dumb to have done this" defense since every player currently in the graveyard was wrong about every single thing they said and also private thoughts I couldn't know about.
In addition to the other things I said, it does not make sense, psychologically, as town, to explicitly be told you can try to stop the nightkill, and then, not try to do it.
In addition to the other things I said, it does not make sense, psychologically, as town, to explicitly be told you can try to stop the nightkill, and then, not try to do it.
Please, let get this straight though you think that I:
1. Gave fomar my role to use as a fakeclaim (even though this would link scum to me)
2. Let fomar claim he was roleblocked (even though this would link roleblcoking to scum)
he probably didn't ask you, or did ask you and then disregarded everything you said, like I am going to do today.
We're missing a very important point about Gourd.
If I were scum with a roleblock, I would have blocked Hex. Blocking Libby is silly. She hasn't even been able to confirm Gourd as town. Hex, on the other hand, is verifying players as town. You can argue that he was NKed, but they know he has a private chat with Frogge and that he's going to tell Frogge what his next result was. So instead of roleblocking him and preventing him from confirming a second town, they...roleblock the one that hasn't even been able to help the one person she used her power on, and just let Hex confirm another town before nuking him? It doesn't make sense for Gourd to be scum in that scenario.
If I were scum with a roleblock, I would have blocked Hex. Blocking Libby is silly. She hasn't even been able to confirm Gourd as town. Hex, on the other hand, is verifying players as town. You can argue that he was NKed, but they know he has a private chat with Frogge and that he's going to tell Frogge what his next result was. So instead of roleblocking him and preventing him from confirming a second town, they...roleblock the one that hasn't even been able to help the one person she used her power on, and just let Hex confirm another town before nuking him? It doesn't make sense for Gourd to be scum in that scenario.
@demon I blocked fomar bc he seemed suspicious and I thought I might either block a mafia role power or block the scum night kill.
@cave by blocking libby at the worst I thought I'd hit an independent at the best a mafia player.
It doesn't bother me if I am lynched today since we have done pretty well in lynching format + I am being a distraction but we should also examine options for after I'm lynched
@cave by blocking libby at the worst I thought I'd hit an independent at the best a mafia player.
It doesn't bother me if I am lynched today since we have done pretty well in lynching format + I am being a distraction but we should also examine options for after I'm lynched
There's another point here, too. Everyone's talking about how funny it is that Gourd claimed hacker after Fomar did, but actually, he didn't. Libby, the wandering-mason-investigator has said she gets role information from the people that she interviews. She's the one that called Gourd a hacker. She's the one we heard it from first.
psy_wombats
13315
The point is that Fomar had to make up a role name, and he chose "White-hat Hacker," which certainly sounds like something he'd make up as a towny-sounding role if for instance, he knew that a role like Hacker was in the game and didn't expect the Hacker to counterclaim him.
And it was odd that Gourd didn't counterclaim him, as Liberty pointed out.
And it was odd that Gourd didn't counterclaim him, as Liberty pointed out.
psy_wombats
13315
well, I guess not "counterclaim" him per se, but immediately jump to Fomar=scum. It's the first thing Liberty noticed in their conversation.
I explained this to Frogge earlier. If Hex, the confirmed town detective, shows up tomorrow and says "Hey guys I got roleblocked," that doesn't exactly look too great for the known roleblocker.
author=pianotm
We're missing a very important point about Gourd.
If I were scum with a roleblock, I would have blocked Hex. Blocking Libby is silly. She hasn't even been able to confirm Gourd as town. Hex, on the other hand, is verifying players as town. You can argue that he was NKed, but they know he has a private chat with Frogge and that he's going to tell Frogge what his next result was. So instead of roleblocking him and preventing him from confirming a second town, they...roleblock the one that hasn't even been able to help the one person she used her power on, and just let Hex confirm another town before nuking him? It doesn't make sense for Gourd to be scum in that scenario.
I explained this to Frogge earlier. If Hex, the confirmed town detective, shows up tomorrow and says "Hey guys I got roleblocked," that doesn't exactly look too great for the known roleblocker.
psy_wombats
And it was odd that Gourd didn't counterclaim him, as Liberty pointed out.
Not really. Gourd's role is just Hacker. Fomar called himself "White Hat Hacker", which he did to make the role specifically sound towny. He also said he was a rolecop, so he didn't know the ability Gourd had, which was a roleblock. Seriously, I wouldn't have counterclaimed if I were in Gourd's place, because at that point in the game I would have no reason to think such a role didn't exist, and it clearly wasn't Gourd's role.
