CLEST'S PROFILE

author=gerkrt link=topic=2605.msg48538#msg48538 date=1228247734
Sorry but we have different looks at videogames and rpg. I like good historys, but i like more rpg tipical gameplay. I suppose that you are the type of people that hates random encounter and clasic rpg schemes, and you cannot play games like FFI or a roguelike for example, where dont exist any story, all its aleatory. Nowadays a lot of people have this vision, but i just dont like it.

Well yeah, if there is no story, I feel like I am from our world just visiting another world for fun, like a tourist or like the guys in the old Dungeons and Dragons cartoon, and I hate that concept. I want to identify with a character who is born and has lived always in that world, so I can feel more like part of it. This also gives me a long term objective to look forward rather than just getting stronger (this actually works for MMOs since I do have ppl to compete or friends to protect).

author=gerkrt link=topic=2605.msg48538#msg48538 date=1228247734
With this in mind all you are talking for me is simply meaninless, i dont care of that things, but i think your game will boring for me,

May be, may be...

author=gerkrt link=topic=2605.msg48538#msg48538 date=1228247734
too slow gameplay rithm and narrative, more like a movie/book than a videogame.

... but NOT for those reasons :P Not that as I said before, my main reason to play RPGs is to live in the setting and feel like part of it, as books and movies won´t give the freedom of interaction to see everything beyond the story that RPGs do.

In fact I am the one who always say that if ppl think story is the center of an RPG, they should read a book instead.

I think our difference lies in what gameplay aspects we valeu more: To me it is all living in the game. I love games like Suikoden where I have to tend to my base/home, recruit other characters, have loots of minigames, have some strategy like battles and a lot of interesting places to visit. I just need however, something like guide so I have an idea of what to see/do first until I am presented to everything the game can offer and then do whatever I feel like. Having a story behind all that also makes me care for the places and characters which won´t happen if I am just an explorer.

author=gerkrt link=topic=2605.msg48538#msg48538 date=1228247734
I think a game its for playing. And that all must serve to this. The coherence have to the begin with the gameplay, not with the history, because this is a interactive medium.

Same opnion as mine, except that coherence is a biggy for exploration, which to me is the essence of RPG gameplay, not battles, not puzzles, those are ways to enhance gameplay experience and can be found in other game genres. Only thing unique in RPGs, regardless of then having a story or just being free roaming, is a wide explorable setting. To that we can have RPGs with no battles, just puzzles or minigames as challeges as much as we have the opposite.

To me development start with setting, then comes gameplay and story, First I build a world, with as much detail as possible, than I try to come up with systems that are both intensily fun AND coherent to the story, which is absolutely fun to do since it gives some interesting challenge. tThen with that set I just create a story and characters.

author=gerkrt link=topic=2605.msg48538#msg48538 date=1228247734
pd: A key for your game:(if you wnat that people like me can play it) make a scene pass engine, that with a button you can pass through all scenes quick.

Well, most of my cutscenes are at least a bit interactive, or rather, you don´t just sit and watch your hero move and talk and fight on his own, you have to move, talk to x person, then you actually fight someone and things like that, because I too hate long nom-interactive cutscenes.

However I may have some short animation like scenes here and there, but you can always save after then and they are really short and will not be just "move hero event" but show case interesting animations. If I need anything like that to last about a minute or more I will surely make it skipable for replay issues, but I do hope ppl watch everything first time :)

author=Orig link=topic=384.msg48409#msg48409 date=1228188541
Kinda. I had mutton chops (before I shaved them off), and a kind of sort of beard thing going on. I'm 15 now. Think I was 13 or so when I posted my last pic at LCG. :D

Oh I remember you being 11 by the time I posted... yeah, time flies :P

Fine, that is 2 or 3pm for me :)

This sat? fuck *resource bad filling week*

Anyway, fine, what time?

author=gerkrt link=topic=2605.msg48447#msg48447 date=1228198705
I agree in some things...but. Look at what you say about the Iron Sword. Yeah, i didnt like games like FFIV where de equipment was stupid, but this dont mean that its incoherence hurted immersion.

It simply: We dont need(and normally dont want) to read, or know, all the information, all the relations, real rules of your world. A lot of things are assumed by the player to make the things direct and easy. Yes, the "Iron Sword" is a short formula to describe why this sword is better, in a mode well known. Nothing more, and nothing less. And nothing bad.

All the games and genres uses things like this. In RPG's like Morrowind you get "normal X, better X, etc X" well, its an other formula, but the system its the same, just that in games like DQ or FF they created a scale of power of the materials for their arms.

Also the same with the Geopolotics. A videogame its different than a novel or some movies. Many times we dont want to know all, and many others we will know it with the protagonist perspective. My original project have a lot of this, geopolitics, legends, mites, i have registered more than 20 wars and what happened in them, but im not going to put most of that things in the game, because i think a game assumes a lot of things for the gameplay and its never like book or movie (maybe i will put the original texts as extras). Gameplay rithm.

Cutscenes that contradict, i suppose that you talk about things like FFVII Aerith dead. Well, in this case its the same thing, when you are playing a reality abstraction like is a crpg this things simply are normal, people that play this games assumes that its all symbolic. I thing a lot of people have done the joke with aeris and a Phoneix Down, but its only a joke, its assumed that the logical of any game its like this.

I liked that from PSIV, the robots that need special items and their equipment, but was a general idea of the history, you cant do this with all. And the stores that sell incoherent things, its the same idea, i never look this at coherence terms, only gameplay terms. I think its you that have some fixation with realism...

Sure you like games like Ultima, TES or fallout, no?

Maybe you don´t want to read it all, but I and most of the library devourer players, play mainly to know the world, something that books or movies can´t offer since you only know what the story covers and some extras, but in games you can actually see and explore bits of the world even if they aren´t relevant to the story.

In fact that´s why I like to sopend more time in towns than dungeons, fighting is just part of the coherence for me, save when fighting is presented as really funny and strategic (and in most rpgs, it apply only for bosses).

Also note that the Iron sword was just one of my complaints with progression system, it still has the convenient progression that follows the hero. Also the fact that upgrading equipment is a really one of the most boring parts in RPGs, only slightly better when you have several options of equipment at each shop and characters can equip almost anything. But I´d rather not be forced to upgrade in every town. In towns I like to get information, look at the architecture, city structure, check libraries, museums, NPCs, pubs etc Maybe do some shopping, but interesting shopping, like souvenirs.

Now as much I advocate that more games should be aimed at the librarian/exploration coherence (NOT REALISM, realism applies to world world as setting only) insane players, I think that politics should be introduced slowly and most of it kept optional trough books and NPCs. However any bit that fixes something absurd should be in your face, even if just as a short sentence which could be explained better if you want.

Regarding cutscenes: if it is not coherent to the point that it doesn´t even try to fool me, I can´t feel for it, case with Aeris that when I laughed and I never got how ppl can feel anything in there (and I did like the character) and the scene could be completely fixed with some small edits. Compare this to Alys that, where there is at least effort to try and restore her, even using an in-game spell in a cutscene (I actually drew a fanart of Rika trying to use Gires on her). Those are the things I like to see and make me feel the world they live in is more of a world.

Why can´t you do this with all? I don´t see the inpending factor here. And again, not realism, coherence.

Funny enough I hardly play PC/nom JRPGs since most of the ones I played lack a central linear path and pre created characters, most of the time in those, it feels my character is an outsider to that world because of that. I get some fun exploring here and there, but I don´t feel attached to anything. I actually should try Fallout sometime though, the setting seems interesting.

GRS: I said almost the same thing on the page before :)

Suzu: I remember I was shocked to see a little girl selling weapons in the devasted 2300 A.D in Chrono Trigger, but it was exactly because it felt possible, yet sad, like the world is so bad that children have to deal with weapons to live. And in some cases, little girls just attend to shops while their parents went to restock.