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author=Cozzer
But... getting good at programming or map building or whatever takes as much time as getting good at writing. And why do you assume "they" don't like writing? If they're creating RPGs instead of action games, chances are they have some kind of interest in creating a good story.


I'm saying that people who would rather do programming/writing and not focus on things they're not good at should do what they want. This is a hobby. If you establish that a person wants to/likes writing, then that person does not fit into the classification I was talking about.

Visual appeal vs other content

edit: double post, sorry

Visual appeal vs other content

author=Archeia_Nessiah
I have yet to see a stellar writer that NEVER read many books in some form. This is just bull. If you expect to be SUPER DUPER AWESOME in writing without exposing yourself to many different kinds of exposition, then that's just bullshit. Any decent indie or professional writer will tell you that.

let me rephrase that - I find writing a book myself boring, a lot of books are interesting

author=Deacon Batista
Stories are all the same. Gameplay and atmosphere is most important besides lookings.
If it was all about storie I would read a book.

Sorry, I don't agree. I can't give any arguments other than that for this.

author=Archeia_Nessiah
And writing is pretty subjective, people have different writing styles

As far as writing goes, of course there are different styles. But writing can be bad regardless of its style.

Art and visual appeal is also pretty subjective. For example, the graphics in my game are bad. Terribly inconsistent. There's no two ways about saying that. However, I can't just say "oh, it's not bad, it's just a different style. Mix match style. Look it up, it's in the dictionary." That would be total bull.

Chalking up dialogue/storytelling that someone finds bad to being "different" is horrible reasoning.

author=LockeZ
Regarding your other thread, you specified that you wanted people to give feedback about the "scene itself" which was pretty fucking vague and includes every aspect of the scene, but I think most people took as meaning the appearance. Did you want them to critique something else? The writing? The music? You didn't specify.

I asked if action scenes with low quality graphics were viable. Basically if it was worth the effort. I got my answer. No. It's not okay. I'm not lacking in effort. It's pretty much impossible to match all my facesets. It is possible for THIS scene, but not the rest of the game.

Action Scenes in rm2k3

author=Cozzer
I'll just say that the idea that you can't improve your writing skill is the wrongest idea ever. (Well, except for those guys who tried russian roulette with an automatic gun, I guess)

And that "graphics don't matter at all" is exactly as wrong as "graphics are the only thing that matter".


Not that you can't improve your writing skills. It's that it's unlikely your writing will improve dramatically without a ton a practice. This takes more time than most people have to put into it. I'm sure lots of them would rather work on programming or map building or whatever else they like to do, than sit there and master turn of phrase.

Action Scenes in rm2k3

author=Archeia_Nessiah
There was a saying, "Just because nobody is doing it, doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do."

Just because a commercial game's writing is "horrible" by your standards doesn't mean that yours should be too.


it's the reason I want to make my own rpg - I think to myself - man, I could do better than that, what a waste of all that budget

Action Scenes in rm2k3

author=NewBlack
People in the community tend to care more about consistency than quality. Yeah, it's 320x240 and pixel based but that's (around here anyway) not an "excuse" for sloppiness. THAT SAID. A lot of people seem to get mired in thinking about presentation and quality (myself included) and things and end up never really getting much done.. So I can understand where you're coming from totally.


I didn't know I needed an excuse for sloppiness. I have poor spriting skills, and there aren't existing sets that both match and show what I need them to. I'll stand by it that I could say the same for the horrible dialogue I see all over the place on some of the games I've seen. Highly rated games. The requirement to address crappy writing should be the same, but it isn't. It's pretty irrational to tell someone improve their writing skills.


Action Scenes in rm2k3

author=Link_2112
That's the difference between another "lolRMgame" and a great game.


Sorry you feel that way. For me, FF13's multimillion dollar animations budget can't make up for it's pathetic cry-a-river cast. The same applies to beautifully constructed rm games with no life.

Visual appeal vs other content

author=Link_2112
So if people start "trolling" you here will you pack up and move to another topic? Really though, if you want some serious discussion don't start off with a sad tale about how people on this site are mean on focus only on graphics. Your just asking for it. This is a whole lot of fluff and your OP is really only 1 sentence of discussion content.


None of them were trolling on the previous thread, they assumed I was looking for some praise and it became a discussion about my video, topic and focus of the thread was totally lost, wanted to try again.

I apologize for all the fluff. Wrote what I was thinking on the topic myself. And I haven't tried hundreds of these games. Just a few.

I know first impressions are important. I found it a total shame that commenting on how to improve your first impression is the only thing people seem to talk about, whether they realize that's all they're saying or not.

Despite your dislike for how I went about this, you wound up giving good input. That's pretty much all that counts. Thanks.

Action Scenes in rm2k3

author=Nightowl
Nobody exactly said that you should make your custom graphics but rather avoid inconsistency. Those soldiers that are slaughtered all the time by some Jean Claude Van Damme-wannabes don't really go well with the RM2K3 RTP characters you use. If you take a close look, you'll see.


I could spend the next few months making 500 charasets/facesets that I need so they can match. And have 10 minutes of game done. Or I can keep writing and eventing my game with some graphical inconsistency, and not have to stop writing my story to make the next batch of matching graphics I need. - There are no existing matching sets that can satisfy the representations I want.

Action Scenes in rm2k3

author=Link_2112
But instead you posted the video and clearly asked people what they think of it. I don't think you wanted discussion. You wanted people to agree with your opinions and since they didn't your all butthurt :(


You can think what you want. I didn't respond once to people who praised the video. Nor was I offended by golbez who straight up said it was retarded. Nor do I mind what you have to say. I was just getting pissed off at Despain, who was totally condescending.

In the end, I just made a different thread for discussion.