PSY_WOMBATS'S PROFILE

I don't think the powers conflict, necessarily. I don't think a weird roleblocker combined with a handicapped doc breaks the game. IF can't target the same target twice anyway. Unless I misread and IF is claiming is a doc-like power works by targeting the target rather than the actor, in which case, yes, that sounds off.

@piano (and sort of IF) I don't think liberty going after people on day 1 is unusual. She did it last game in everything but her actual vote and there's xp, so whatever. What I /am/ concerned about is that she was fine going after likely neutrals (yelled at me for this last game) and after deciding that, spent the rest of her time looking for "scummy" powers. I still think agonizing over other peoples' role details helps scum, and I still think IF is scummier

@ratty Roleclaiming under fire is something scum would do just as much as town, except it's much easier now, because scum has real "roles" to claim. IF basically came out as limited roleblocker that could only possibly be verified by something dumb like having a vigilante target town and requesting he roleblock them. You have to take his word that his power does what he says it does because it's unverifiable. I'm not saying I don't believe him, but you can't eliminate him from suspicion because his power "sounds town-y." Plus it's not like mafia roleblocker is exactly uncommon. He'd be shutting down a vigilante, effectively. Kloe could shut down a claimed seer. I don't see how it opens them to any risk, except for the risk that mafia decides their power is unhelpful and kills them. For scum, that's not exactly a danger.

@dudesoft Yeah I'm not saying don't put your vote on the eventual victim (I'll probably jump on for xp if things look bad) but the idea is that we're trying to turn the lynch from a moderately unscummy person to a moderately scummy person. If you follow suit, you'll get xp either way. Don't vote to "prove" yourself, vote to kill scum.

Also, I forgot to say hi, I think it's been like literally years haha

@Kloe don't go poking people for ability details unless you think it benefits you to know more than it benefits scum to know. If we set up "the perfect play" or something it's just going to get someone important roleblocked or nightkilled. I'm operating under the assumption that no ability requires knowledge of another ability to be used effectively. If someone disagrees, then I'll drop it.

@cave I have suspects but no team. The only hint of team play I've seen so far is around Kloe, and I'm moderately sure Kloe is not working as a team (ie, she's neutral, town, or scum is not operating as a unit this game, similar to last game). Because otherwise scum would've been telling her to never try that plan. The only other thing I saw was IF randomly voting Ratty, which could be a miscued attempt at distancing but that's dubious.
Kloe - if she's scum then other scum are lurkers or uninterested or not great players (see above), but I still think neutral jester is most likely, then town, then scum. Making a weird play as underpowered town would not be out of character.
Liberty - has only shown an interest in abilities and their distribution rather than scumhunting (maybe hypocritical but w/e) and seeing as she was so anti-neutral hunting last game her matter-of-fact Kloe vote attached to power speculation struck me as odd.
IF - that speculation about scum superteam was really really strange because it would only make sense if he had knowledge of scum, or had no intention of figuring out scum rather than guessing. I don't care about his ratty vote, really. I think playing around with potential ability uses etc is an attempt to do something that is not scumhunting.

The only people who've stuck up as more suspicious than usual above that would be Ratty (defended Kloe without knowing about joker potential) and blob (don't understand why he'd reveal some information just to see if he could confirm Kloe, just a bad play though probably). I think suggesting killing Kloe for info is not meaningful if he didn't try to pull the converse "then Ratty is innocent" thing, because as scum, he'd know if she would flip scum or not (doubt she would, because he would've vetoed the scum roleclaim thing)

Haven't been able to 100% clear anyone. If a decent player flips scum I'll clear Kloe from being scum. SZandex probably isn't either, or else scumteam is /super/ uncoordinated because I'd expect if he failed to show for 24hrs they'd be feeding him a target, not getting him to review the thread and then waffle.

I still don't think killing Kloe would be harmful (ie probably killing a neutral) but if she's playing ball with town it's kind of pointless, but I still think better than killing blob.



@IF interested who you think is suspicious if your vote isn't anywhere. I don't care about proving your ability is what you say it is because it almost definitely has no bearing on whether you're scum or not

Kloe, it's not a sacrifice to help town if all you do is get yourself killed. If you're town and get daykilled, that hurts us just as much as any other mislynch. So unless you think you can get a big advantage out of doing something that'll attract suspicion, reconsider. Like last game I could go crazy aggressive because I had a 100% roleclaim in my back pocket the whole time. If you don't have a card like that, tread carefully.

Even if we believe Kloe about a nightkill, I don't think we can use that power to vindicate her. It's like the Frogge problem from last game -- if everyone knows the details beforehand, scum also know the details beforehand and she's liable to get roleblocked if it would target scum. Kloe, can you think of a way you could prove your ability to be pro-town, or some other way to clear yourself with it? blob do you have a plan with this one? I'm paranoid about scum interference given that we have no idea what they can do at this point.

re: IF: I'm inclined to trust him more because I'm on his mcbacon team and he's been very absent. While I haven't seen scum-IF for more than one or two days on the infection game, I think he would've cared more about his initial defense if he were scum. His jokepost explanation could either be that he 1) legit still thought we were in the jokepost phase of things or 2) was trying to move /back/ to that phase so things would blow over

@blob While I think scum-Ratty isn't good at naturally distancing himself do you really think he'd make the same mistake if both he and Kloe were scum? I don't have any read from Ratty so he's not cleared by any means but I don't think Kloe flipping one way or the other should influence chasing Ratty.

Hahahaha alright Kloe yes if you're town that was a terrible terrible plan. If you were trying to be bait or something, then who do you think is scum? What did you get out of all those posts we have to examine?

@IF it is really weird to wonder about whether the scumteam was random or not when we don't even have a scum identified yet (unless you consider Kloe as good as scum in which case ???). I think there's a lot more solid stuff to go on than jokevotes at this point, like you even /said/ there's silly stuff going on

@Ratty I sort of think scum-IF would play a /little/ bit more cautiously, or at least start paying attention when he started drawing heat. I don't really have a full scumlist but I'm willing to chalk this up to early game bad plays similar to how things went last time... or at least prioritize him behind Kloe who has now permanently lost my trust for the game