LOCKEZ'S PROFILE

I mean, he's absolutely right that he would post a nightkill first though, if he realized we were one vote from hammer. If he's scum then my theory is he either wasn't the one responsible for night kills, or didn't realize the vote count until it was too late.

author=Gourd_Clae
I mean, LockeZ, I know I'm on your list of suspects but I honestly don't find your reasoning that strong. I wouldn't find it unfair for Jeroen to give scum more time to pick the nk, but also idk why you're not sure Jeroen hasn't been doing this right along? The rules just say scum has to choose a nk during day phase. As long as jeroen does not say "day phase is over" then it might just not be over until scum chooses a nk. IE, it's possible Jeroen doesn't say the day is over at all until scum chooses a nk.

I'm not sure why you're convinced it went down this way. What about day 1? Day 1 you were convinced lancelot was hit, and not that scum was absent. Why? You even encouraged Lancelot to claim (which is disadvantageous to town if Lancelot was not in fact hit).

Yeah, I mean, I can definitely imagine a world where Jeroen ran the game that way. I just think in that world, scum would fuckin' nightkill someone.

I will admit none of this occured to me after night 1. Because it's all so weird and implausible. But not nearly as weird and implausible as scum deciding on purpose not to kill anyone on night 3, which I think is the only alternative. That just makes no sense to me at all. I feel like it has to be unintentional, and this is just the only explanation I can come up with for why they would unintentionally fail to kill anyone. Night 1 had a vastly simpler explanation: someone's power triggered.

author=Gourd_Clae
Honestly, with the argument LockeZ is putting out, I am not so sure Ozzy was even targeted night 1. Who is to say scum wasn't just *not* present? Then, say, they tried to make up for it by trying to get Lancelot to out themself. It might be worth it to see everyone who advocated Lancelot outing themself after no night kill because, according to LockeZ's own logic, it might have just been a cover-up for a mistake on scum's part.

It has, in fact, made me re-evaluate what happened on night 1 and I'm not sure what the answer to that is. Is Ozzy a scum pretender? Is he the real Lancelot, but they didn't actually hit him? I did actually bring up the same point earlier, very briefly. But when I started to think through those options, I couldn't imagine scum accidentally missing the deadline twice. Like, hell, after it happened the first time, wouldn't they just start declaring their nightkills at the beginning of the day?

The answer to #3 is because Jeroen said in the rules that he was going to do it for missions and did not say he was going to do it for night kills. That seems incredibly straightforward and obvious to me. He probably just didn't think of the possibility of the same thing happening with night kills when he originally wrote the rules. It's inconsistent for the two things to work two different ways, but changing the rules mid-game would be vastly more horseshit.

Jeroen also explicitly said on day 2 that he was doing weird stuff to make up for people quitting, and did not say so on day 3. To me that clearly means he didn't do so on day 3.

Also, YM didn't actually get a chance to screw town, since we lynched him before he could quit. So there was nothing to compensate us for.

So your argument is that you think Jeroen made three separate moderating mistakes, and then is also refusing to admit to the players that he did any of those three things. No. Sorry. I don't believe it.

I especially hate the suggestion that anyone who doesn't think he did all that is "really dumb." Now you're clearly trying to bully and shame people into joining your side; manipulating them into feeling like idiots for wanting to lynch you. Using giant bold underlined text to make it seem like your point of view is so obvious is a pretty classic scam artist move.

I'd also like to point out that you being here 10 minutes before hammer doesn't negate my theory. I accused two other people also, who were actually not here. Funny how you're totally fixated on yourself, and not on figuring out whether either of them is scum.

Based on this incredible level of panic, I have to assume that I'm right. Which means that the reason there was no nightkill even though you were active is most likely because your scum partner, not you, was the one responsible for submitting the night kill. Which makes that person either Gourd or Cap, right? (Or was someone else not around, that I missed?)

Because scum would want Oberon to survive? I mean... wouldn't they? There were a lot of other targets still in the game; if scum legitimately thought Muffle was Oberon, I feel like they wouldn't have gone after her. They would go after someone they thought was town.

Also, maybe this is just me, but I think when you're scum, misinformation is generally useful no matter what the information actually is. It just makes everyone harder to read. So I imagine that they'd want to keep us under the impression that scum are all talking to each other, if they could.

My biggest takeaway from all this is "Kylaila is worried about how she looks instead of about how other people look," which, for someone who is under basically no scrunity at all right now, is kind of concerning. Town players get worried about how they look when people start lynching them, but scum are worried about it all the time. But I guess it's not a big deal on its own since nothing else you've done this game has seemed off.

Also pianotm is being weirdly supportive in a way that makes me feel like the two of you don't share a private chat. So I'm mentally making a note that I don't think a pianotm/kylaila scum team is likely.