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Discouragement
author=Max McGee
To not be offensive at all, purposeful or otherwise, would be nice.
in a perfect world everything is sunshine and rainbows and everybody's game is great because they worked hard on it and not because of its quality
Discouragement
author=Max McGee
To elaborate, then, at Deckiller's request.
There is literally no part of anything you posted that isn't 100% wrong. I can't even be bothered to break down why on a sentence-by-sentence basis for everyone to see. It would take too long.
my oh my how our own words weave a tangled web around ourselves
To do not be offensive at all, purposeful or otherwise, would be nice.As a word on "contructive ONLY" criticism - one of my first interations with WIP involved discussion about how DESTRUCTIVE criticism can be useful, how you need to own up to features that are not additive or engaging, and be able to destroy and delete from your project to make it better. I was in the same camp as you - POSITIVITY AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM ONLY! - until the founder of this very website smacked me down with cold, harsh logic I was unable to rationally disprove.
Discouragement
SOLELY because it was asked of me,
"I appreciate your comment but you don't understand what I said and you are totally wrong because I did not effectively convey my own meaning to you."
"I like my OWN game and I still find your criticism of Short Mode to be invalid because *I* still like my OWN game."
You aren't doing anything but refuting essentially every single comment toward your game based on your own opinions of yourself and your work. This is effectively clapping your hands over your ears and saying LA LA LA LA to the things you don't wish to hear.
Nobody cares if you want to play your own game. Games are designed for the players, not for the designers. I don't care if you don't care what nobody else cares about - this is a basic fact of life, a basic fact of game design. If I were taking a page from the Max McGee Book of Commenting, this is where I would add "don't even try to argue or dissuade me - nothing you can say will change my mind in any way."
I have specifically reported my own post/s to this end and was not warned or discouraged for my behavior and/or phrasing, leading me to believe that in the last few posts I have been nothing but cordial and decent, despite the fact that I said several things you clearly do not wish to hear. I'm sorry that you feel so incensed by my comments, but your behavior is utterly unacceptable and you are wildly pointing fingers in every direction other than yourself.
I've even gone out of my way to explain previous comments and posts as not being purposefully offensive. I'm not sure how much more you could ask of me.
First off, what does this even mean?
Physhal, I appreciate that but I really think that's not the essence of what I said at all.
"I appreciate your comment but you don't understand what I said and you are totally wrong because I did not effectively convey my own meaning to you."
I found the gameplay in Journeyman alone addictive enough to keep me wanting to play, but the other modes will definitely have more story if and when they get made and I still find the story of the Short game kind of cute and amusing.
"I like my OWN game and I still find your criticism of Short Mode to be invalid because *I* still like my OWN game."
You aren't doing anything but refuting essentially every single comment toward your game based on your own opinions of yourself and your work. This is effectively clapping your hands over your ears and saying LA LA LA LA to the things you don't wish to hear.
Nobody cares if you want to play your own game. Games are designed for the players, not for the designers. I don't care if you don't care what nobody else cares about - this is a basic fact of life, a basic fact of game design. If I were taking a page from the Max McGee Book of Commenting, this is where I would add "don't even try to argue or dissuade me - nothing you can say will change my mind in any way."
good manners, cordiality, or decency.
I have specifically reported my own post/s to this end and was not warned or discouraged for my behavior and/or phrasing, leading me to believe that in the last few posts I have been nothing but cordial and decent, despite the fact that I said several things you clearly do not wish to hear. I'm sorry that you feel so incensed by my comments, but your behavior is utterly unacceptable and you are wildly pointing fingers in every direction other than yourself.
Whoa, sorry guys. I really didn't mean to seem like I was going out of my way to rip it apart. I was trying to point out things that could be improved, and my default style is to write them as complaints (of course, if they were praises, I wouldn't sound negative
I've even gone out of my way to explain previous comments and posts as not being purposefully offensive. I'm not sure how much more you could ask of me.
Discouragement
Nothing you can do to force me to stop, as much as you might want that.
I don't want you to stop. I want you to incorporate the feedback you are given and use it to further yourself as a designer. You already admitted that you do this (while in the same breath, calling said feedback "bitching and whining"). Why should I be the bad guy for continuing to give said feedback? You may dislike it, but you've already used it to improve. This can't be anything but positive, regardless of how you take my tone. Your game has improved because of bitching and whining.
Are you really intent on beating away at this dead horse until one or both of us gets banned? Just go away. I saw on your last post. You were warned just like I was. Why are you still continuing to start shit?
I'm not "starting shit," I'm defending my viewpoint. I am not commenting to upset you, I am commenting to refute your opinions, which I view as entirely invalid and indefensible. I have a direct quote that I was merely warned over literally two words - "F U "- which I will gladly edit out of the post, rendering the rest of it completely valid. Had I not said that, would your reaction be any different? No. This is a glorious example of exactly what is wrong with "the community," a flaw you yourself desperately try over and over again to attribute to others. There is no reason to take this to a purely private level when your allegations and attitude have attacked the website and the members of it on a global basis.
author=Deckiller
This argument stops here. Take it to PM if you have issues.
I quite agree that anyone with a personal disagreement with each other should take it to PMs unless one of those people has accused the entire community and website of misconduct and persecution. In any other case, you should really be warning the game developer who posts his work for feedback and then flips the fuck out at any sort of negative feedback. The mods should be more discerning of public threads and blog posts that attack the character of RMN and its members who have taken the time and effort to play, review and contribute toward others' projects.
I apologize if my original posting seemed on the offensive, but it was quite the opposite - on the defensive. Defensive against Max's posts about bootlickers, hivemind, and everyone other than himself being totally wrong. Even a positive, constructive commenter like physhal is wrong in every way based on Max's response to said post. Is this the kind of attitude we at RMN uphold? Is this the kind of behavior toward criticism and feedback that we view as not only rational, but justifiable and acceptable? Am I wrong to question it in a public forum as opposed to going out of my way to make my comments personal an private? Will I be warned for not posting this in "user feedback" as a criticism of the staff as a whole?
Deckiller
On your end, you need to stop provoking him. Max overreacts, so you provoking him merely blows it up into something far bigger.
The lines need to be clearly defined, and I refuse to be held responsible for someone else's reaction to my comments. If they are overreacting, they are overreacting - I am not overcommenting. My opinion is my opinion.
Discouragement
author=Max McGee
Why are you still posting here, Versalia? Go away. Your opinion is not needed or wanted or warranted or welcome here.
Are you really intent on beating away at this dead horse until one or both of us gets banned?
I'm a member of this community that you (unjustly) feel villifies and persecutes you. My feedback is just as valid as anyone else's, and I took the time to play your game and make notes as I did so, devoting my energy toward giving you advice that can help make a productive and enjoyable project. It's your decision whether or not you wish to listen to me, but my right to speak is inalienable. Feel free to disregard any comment I ever make about any topic ever, but that won't stop me from commenting. All you are doing is further demonstrating your own weaknesses and inability to cope with logic and reason.
Discouragement
author=Max McGeeAlso, you seem to have already made up your mind about this community, but making blanket statements that condemn this entire community only serves to insult the few allies you have left. Its hard not to take offense when to say the entire community is a hive-mind and they can go fuck themselves. I know those were not your exact words but that was definitely the impression I got.Physhal, I appreciate that but I really think that's not the essence of what I said at all. In any case, regardless of however what I said was taken: that's certainly not what I meant.
You put up two middle fingers and turned on semi-automatic mode, machine-gunning the entire community and website with them. Regardless of whatever you meant, that's how it was taken. Shockingly similar to your reaction to my completely logical, rational and reasonable post, defending myself and my community at large, no? Short of the very specific, one-time "F U" words in my post which you seemed to think completely invalidated anything I had to say. Your attitude coming across to EVERYONE (including impartial, positive commentators) as "fuck this entire community" is exactly the same thing. Your entire post is completely false in every way and I do not need to offer any reasoning as to why based on your own logic. Please go stare in the mirror for a very, very long time.
author=Max McGee
I found the gameplay in Journeyman alone addictive enough to keep me wanting to play
Good games are designed for the players, not the designer. Nobody cares if you want to play your own game.
Of portraits and ATSs.
The ATS helps a lot, but you really need to work on the text formatting. It looks strange the way the first line cuts off after "Supposedly it" and you aren't making full use of the dialogue window space :3
Discouragement
author=kumadaauthor=VersaliaVersalia, I don't know you, but I know you're better than that. Don't stoop to that kind of logic. No one 'begs' for it, no matter how much you dislike them. Be a little bigger than you're being right now.
Max fucking begs for it.
I'm not encouraging senseless attacks. I'm merely pointing out that Max not only leaves himself wide-open to but also encourages a caustic attitude from those giving him any kind of feedback whatsoever, due to his own shitty attitude. This whole blog post is just a cry for attention and pity. GUYS MY FEELINGS ARE HURT HOW DO I MAK SHIT GAM :<
Discouragement
Max, fuck you. I don't even know you. I have absolutely no past experiences with you. We've never chatted, we've never spatted, we've never passed each other in the street.
And I didn't like your game.
BUT I GUESS I'M JUST THE HIVEMIND TALKING
Max fucking begs for it. He's the one posting pity-me my-game-sucks-and-now-I-realize-it-boohoohoohoo threads and then flipping the bird to the entire website and every member of the community who bothered to give him feedback. This is just pathetic, and there's no reason to accuse others of "flamewarring." Max's attitude is inflammatory. He's gasoline.
You can't even improve upon your games without BLAMING other people for 'bitching and whining' about 'things they don't like,' 90% of which are completely valid game design concepts that apparently have to be explained to you. That bitching and whining? You admit right there that it helped you sharpen up your games.
Hits the nail on the head over, and over, and over again. If you're making changes and decisions based on every single bitching and whining you get, then that's YOUR fault for being unable to filter through criticism.
And I didn't like your game.
BUT I GUESS I'M JUST THE HIVEMIND TALKING
Just one thread. Just one thread without a flamewar is all I ask.
Max fucking begs for it. He's the one posting pity-me my-game-sucks-and-now-I-realize-it-boohoohoohoo threads and then flipping the bird to the entire website and every member of the community who bothered to give him feedback. This is just pathetic, and there's no reason to accuse others of "flamewarring." Max's attitude is inflammatory. He's gasoline.
author=Max McGee
AND that they've been carefully honed by the constant bitching and whining of RMN to not do any of the things RMN doesn't like.
You can't even improve upon your games without BLAMING other people for 'bitching and whining' about 'things they don't like,' 90% of which are completely valid game design concepts that apparently have to be explained to you. That bitching and whining? You admit right there that it helped you sharpen up your games.
author=emmych
I need to address this.
The way I see it, in order to make a good game, you must be willing to consider cutting/reworking everything, even the things and ideas you are most in love with. Let me give you a personal example - I'm an artist. I am a visually thinking gal. I made some character designs for my game that I was in love with. Someone mentioned the hero looked too much like Locke Cole from FF6 and the heroine looked too much like Terra (in a not so nice way, mind you!), and you know what? They were right. I was ridic discouraged by this, I was super upset, but they were still right. So, instead of moping, I changed the character designs. I fiddled with palettes, tweaked haircuts, blah dee blah dee boom baddly boom and hey, look at that, I ACTUALLY LIKE THEM BETTER NOW.
I'm not saying that every bit of criticism must mean you change your game (because pffffft will you ever finish anything that way? NO.), but you do need to be willing to change things. If you go into something believing you've made the game the best it can be without much feedback, you are letting your ego get in the way, and that is the worst possible thing an artist can do!
Hits the nail on the head over, and over, and over again. If you're making changes and decisions based on every single bitching and whining you get, then that's YOUR fault for being unable to filter through criticism.
Air RPG Review
author=Solitayre
I don't have a problem with this review itself, but it does bother me when games become the subject of negative attention because they were featured.
I don't think there's anything here indicating that this is getting negative attention based on the fact that it was featured. Personally, I was pointing out that anything featured is going to get both more negative and more positive attention than an unfeatured game - it's logical to assume you're going to see at least one bad review/comment/whatever, especially if a game is up on the front page.
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