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One more time...

...we are not bothering to come up with suggestions because seriously, as we have said, we don't feel this is a necessary thing to implement.

I don't even see why you need to know the developers' names all the time.

Darken and I already discussed--hnnngh.

No, it's not "necessary", but it would help. No, I don't "need" to know the developers' names all the time, but it would be convenient.

If you want to see other stuff they made it's certainly easy enough to just click the developer's name and see their profile... or if you're on an image page it's like one extra click back to the main page.

One "extra" click times seven times five (internet speed) times two times x number of games; how many seconds do I waste per week week doing that "extra" click?

Approximately 70x. I can't believe we are arguing over this either, but yeah. For every ten games I visit, I waste eleven and a half minutes each week. For every ten games you visit, you waste eleven and a half minutes each week as well (unless you've got faster internet than cable). For every ten games everyone in this topic visits, rpgmaker.net potentially wastes 1 hour and 21 minutes doing something entirely useless.

So no, I don't enjoy clicking back to the main page over and fucking over, day in and day out. Especially when there are places the author's name could be inserted on each page: beneath the title, through a POSTED BY notice, and etc. We may not "need" to include these links, but is it really "necessary" that we waste time when it could be avoided?

Ugh, I can sense you preparing a counter already without even stopping to consider whether I'm making sense. Now this is proving to be a waste of time.

Seriously, most of us are busy working on our games or writing reviews or whatnot to worry about something like this, especially because we pretty much all think it's fine righty now.

I'm gonna let this thread simmer after this because right here, you are telling me something that in no way changes my opinion, but provides evidence that the only thing you care about is pointing out just how trivial this whole ordeal is. Even though I've said time and again that I agree with you and that my suggestion was brought up mainly for the fact that it is easy to implement, you just keep repeating in different ways that it is not easy to implement, that it is useless, and that there are no positive aspects to it. And I keep saying that, for me, there is a positive aspect: convenience, and even though it obviously won't matter to you, it also doesn't need to hinder your experience either--to which end I've come up with idea over idea just to try to appease you.

I'm not asking you to worry about it, only to understand that nothing will affect you if this idea is implemented in the right way. The eraser will still be there. You will still have the option of carrying your books by hand. I get that I am pretty much the only one arguing this, but there are people who've agreed with me at some point or other that this idea would make things easier for them--almost as many people as are objecting, IIRC.

And besides, only WIP can decide whether it is fine or not, though from the looks of it you guys have muddled up the idea enough to turn him away from it. So please stop worrying and let him do the deciding. (Or...not deciding, as the case may be.) I won't go rioting and chewing people's ears off if nothing gets changed, I promise. As you all keep repeating over and over and I keep agreeing with: yes, the site remains functional with or without an author's name beneath the games' titles.

Edit: I just spent the last three minutes calming myself down. 1100 views? You guys serious? The only way threads this insignificant get that many views is if there is a flame war. Maybe lennon was right.

And now I've deleted a paragraph of angry ranting to simply say: I don't like flame wars. (explains my headache and that bad knot I get in my stomach when I visit the site these days). This is my last post in this thread. If WIP is reading this, please do the right thing as admin and scrap all this nonsense; it's really a very poor show of community teamwork and communication--and almost childishly so. This is a place for development and distribution, and by that meaning you were all 100% right in saying that my idea really doesn't mean the dirt anyone's shoes. I sincerely apologize to everyone for letting this blow out of proportion. This is not a joke and I'm not kidding around: I'm trying to be as mature and humble about this as I can.

As this is a flame thread, I already see the humiliation coming, but I'm fine with that; you guys can embarrass me however you see fit in this thread and others. I just hope you realize that you contributed to this whole mess just like I did.

Also, that last character with the 3 rating sounds like Sephiroth or something.

1. Now we are getting somewhere. POSTED BY under the images? So simple, so convenient, so virgin... I endorse.

Also, I happen to forget the author of a game when I'm viewing images because there are a lot of games on this site, and sometimes it's hard to tell them apart. (Especially since some use the exact same tilesets.)

2/4. I was referring to the developer's name on the review page, and I didn't mean to point out walkthroughs specifically; just unusual pages (usual pages being: Blog, Images, and Downloads). That said, not every author is going to write MY WALKTHROUGH BY ME. Certainly not every author. Maybe not even half of every author. ...Were you being sarcastic?

Speaking of blogs, I was confused by Azn about who is allowed to post on blogs; the person running the gamepage or any of the developers for the game. I got the impression that other people could edit some aspects of the gamepage. Either way you are correct, the developer is right there; poor example. Just regard the other sections I mentioned. I mean geez, you don't have to quote me down to the letter.

And yeah, you don't have to come up with suggestions, either, but it is rather unfair that you are telling me what is wrong with my own suggestion and then waiting for me to come up with more suggestions just to tell me how wrong I am again. In other words what I'm actually asking you is: "How about lending me a hand so that this feature can become something everyone here will appreciate, as opposed to repeatedly kicking my chair?" Just another extension for compromise. You can turn your back on it as often as you like if you feel so strongly against the suggestion.

About that post at the bottom, I agree that it's a convenient idea and I think it would be worth testing. I still think there are ways to put two and two together, though. For example: How about making both suggestions options we can turn on/off in our accounts? (Though I think that would definitely be pushing WIP's buttons, if you get my meaning.) Remember, just an example. There are other ways.

You're right, you can see the developer on the first page without scrolling (providing your screen is big enough--this won't quite look the same on an iPhone or PSP browser), but you still won't see the developer on the image pages. That means I'd have to go back to the main page every time just to find the developer's name. Same goes for the review section of the page where there is no developer name at all, and to a certain extent (though obviously not as seriously) on all the other pages that may be offered, such as blogs and walkthroughs. Having the author's name under the title would solve this.

I don't think the suggestion is dumb either because it is only for the event that all the developers' names won't fit under the title; it's an exceptional case. But, again, again, this is only one suggestion. If you think it is dumb, feel free to come up with something more functional, please.

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oh f*** where do i put this i guess i'll just cover up the download button

Now you're just exaggerating. But I guess it's only fair you ignore my solution to that since I am ignoring your irrelevant comments. Even though it isn't getting us anywhere, it is fair.

...And now let's try my solution.

If we go back to my picture and try the whole "two names" thing, two developers' names can easily be listed within that space, correct? Even if their name is long, it wouldn't be the site designer's fault; my thinking is if it won't fit in the original details section, it probably won't fit anywhere else, so since the space allotted remains the same (or more, really), this could work for EVERY single username out there so far.

So, you say it is unfair to list only two developers on a massive team project. Well firstly, remember that those two are not the only two who will be listed all the time, if my entire solution is to be considered. Each time you load a page the names will be chosen at random next to "Various developers." Random selection is fair, correct? It may also help to list the number of developers before cranking out their names, like so:

Game X
Developer(s) 12 Developers (AznChipmunk, Lennon, ...)
With the "..." perhaps being a link to the detail section. Doesn't need to be, but again, convenient for those who don't know where the original section is. (After all, if this idea is implemented, they'd probably never find the original detail section without doing some exploring or asking around. I'm sure you guys would get tired of that many me's nagging you all the time.)

Lemme remind you again that you are free to come up with your own ideas, instead of just denying mine and pretending like they're not flexible. As much as you don't like it, it is not impossible to make this a functioning feature.

Apologies for not replying to your comment, since I know how it feels, but you seem to not realize that you are making the situation worse by constantly trying to prove me wrong when I clearly have no intention of admitting defeat--like a Super Saiyan. For the sake of avoiding a flame war, we both should've stopped bickering a long time ago. Can we try this again, from the top?