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[MAFIA] RMN: WHEN THEY CRY (TEA PARTY)

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So we know demonlord and pianotm were attacked. Unless they are lying I think we can come up with two solutions as to why this happened: A. they either suspected one of the Mafia's and thus was targeted to try and quiet anyone who could be onto them. B. They're shooting at random.
Read through some posts and I'll go ahead and post my reads. Cap and tunger I'm still unsure.

Piano: Town for the aforementioned reasons. (big town lean)

Lockez: Town. He's been voting in a way to get people to talk, and was in the gourd vote early. I don't think scum would have rushed in as quickly. (I'd say medium town lean) because it can be hard to tell with lockez sometimes.

Jeroen: (Slight town read). He's been aggressive and helpful enough to where I'm thinking hes more town than scum.
Muffle: Neutral. I've never seen muffle play before. I'd say (small town lean) for now because seems to be helpful overall.

Cave: I'll say (neutral) for now because he's hard to read. He seems tamer than other games, but maybe I'm gauging it too much off the last one too much too.
Ozzy: I'm unsure. I had thought he was scum earlier, but then he left the gourd vote. Could have simply left to throw us off though. I'm going for (neutral) for now but I'll still be watching him.

Yellow: I'm leaning on slightly scum.
Esby: Hasn't contributed anything, and what was that random piano vote? I really don't know here but he hasn't been useful. Going to put him down here for now.
author=Jeroen_Sol
If two people got attacked, it heavily implies one got attacked by town. That means being attacked is no indication of anyone's alignment.


Yea, that's also true. But unless this game is different than the one I played, there should only be one person that can shoot another person off on each team. If this is correct - and I have no way of knowing if this is true - then one of these people could be lying to try and dodge any suspicion since Gourd was lynched and so, therefore, couldn't shoot off anyone.

author=Jeroen_Sol
Of this list, demon and Yellow are most scummy to me. demon's reason for joining the bandwagon wasn't convincing to me. I agree with having a lynch over a nolynch, but that "not having a valid argument before my next post" business doesn't sit right with me. A valid argument for or against what? That doesn't answer my question of what was his original reason for suspecting Gourd, even if he wasn't fully convinced. YM's "But, like, what do you want me to say that wouldn't be seen as me Mafia bandwagoning?" line feels like lampshading to me. One of the best ways to deal with people thinking something is scummy is to accept it looks scummy and then try to move on.


This is also true, and I agree here.

author=Jeroen_Sol
I'm also still wary of Ozzy. It's not rare for scum to vehemently defend a doomed townie to get towncred on flip.


This is also true. However, if I am correct as to nobody knows who is who wouldn't it just be a coincidence that this happened? Like I said, I'm not sure about this game though and how it works, so I could be totally wrong.
pianotm
The TM is for Totally Magical.
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Here is an interesting quote from YM. You'll find it at the top this page.

Yellow Magic
Okay, fine, you're right. I initially voted for Gourd as a joke but didn't want to admit it once everyone else actually started voting for him.

But, like, what do you want me to say that wouldn't be seen as me Mafia bandwagoning? I'm now voting for Gourd for the same reasons that Mufflez and Jeroen are.


Jeroen basically voted Gourd the same reason I did. Muffle said that Gourd seemed like he pitting people against each other.

Yellow hasn't made a single substantive post that I can see and the one where he actually votes, he says, "Hey! It was a joke and I was too embarrassed to admit it. See someone else's post for my reasons for staying with the vote!"

Muffle
Um, how is bickering exactly suspicious anyway? If I am correct, none of us know who is Town and who is Mafia, and we aren't allowed to talk in PM anyways. So it's not like I and LockeZ were like "Oh we're Mafia let's team up to look all towny". I think that sounds a bit far-fetched considering this point. However, I do understand why it does seem a bit strange mostly since we both voted for Gourd right after that. But as I said before, I was going to vote to lynch Gourd before the bickering. The reason we bickered was that I was arguing my case, as court and law. Also, I'm not even smart enough to form a plan like that even if I wanted too XD The reason why I regret it is because the gunner is usually very handy in these cases. But at least it does point us in a direction, I guess.


Defensive much?
pianotm
The TM is for Totally Magical.
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Or, not where he actually votes but where he explains his vote. Sorry.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Scum always know who the other scum are and they can communicate out-of-thread. By extension, they also know that everyone else is town, unless there's independents in the game.
pianotm
The TM is for Totally Magical.
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Also, I promise you that the family units are also going to have their own private chats. Don't rule out mason teams, either. Remember, somebody is cheating on somebody and it's probably more than a couple somebodies.
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
On sunny days, I go out walking
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yellow magic still scum

esby needs to be taken out probably. if only we had some kind of...gunner...

i don't get how we have all these attempted murders and nobody dead. y'all sure that wasn't just flavor?
The way we escaped was probably flavor, but I did get a clear indicator that someone did try to kill me last night.
author=pianotm
Defensive much?


Sorry, I wasn't trying to come off as defensive. It was a literal question. So people can talk in chats about it? I thought it was a rule of the game that you couldn't communicate, which was why I asked. Or maybe I'm reading wrong. So the mafia does know who the mafia is?
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
I think I can vaguely remember like one game where scum didn't know each other's identity and/or couldn't communicate out of thread, but in 99% of the games they can, yeah.
Alright, that's all I wanted to know. I know one of the rules is "Do not talk about the game outside of the topic", which is why I thought they couldn't. Honestly, it doesn't seem like we're getting anywhere.

We found out Gourd was a village and trying to find anyone suspicious, we have a couple people but mostly because they're saying weird things. But that's where we went wrong with Gourd. The only other people that we can suspect are those who aren't really responding much. We could try and lynch them for it since they're not being very helpful, but I don't know that's just kind of pushing it. A last resort kind of thing.

Sol and piano have said pretty much all I want to say.
Yellow Magic
Could I BE any more Chandler Bing from Friends (TM)?
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author=demonlord5000
I got attacked by a shadow last night. I'm not sure why it didn't kill me unless I got protected somehow.

Is that all the flavour you got? Did you get anything that resembled piano's message about hiding in a closet?

author=pianotm
Yellow hasn't made a single substantive post that I can see and the one where he actually votes, he says, "Hey! It was a joke and I was too embarrassed to admit it. See someone else's post for my reasons for staying with the vote!"

We already covered this post the previous Day. I don't see what's scummy about it.
Yellow Magic
Could I BE any more Chandler Bing from Friends (TM)?
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author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
esby needs to be taken out probably. if only we had some kind of...gunner...

We did and they're kinda dead now, so...
ESBY
extreme disappointment
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author=demonlord5000
Esby: Hasn't contributed anything, and what was that random piano vote? I really don't know here but he hasn't been useful. Going to put him down here for now.
Do you mean that vote where if I was scum I could've easily voted out Gourd by going with the common consensus. That vote where I said I wasn't willing to kill Gourd - the same innocent Gourd you in fact voted for. That vote where I voted for the person I thought was acting most aggressively towards Gourd. That vote?

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
esby needs to be taken out probably. if only we had some kind of...gunner...
If only... If only someone never switched votes last minute without explanation he might still be here.

I don't suppose you have any idea who that was now do you?
author=ESBY
author=demonlord5000
Esby: Hasn't contributed anything, and what was that random piano vote? I really don't know here but he hasn't been useful. Going to put him down here for now.
Do you mean that vote where if I was scum I could've easily voted out Gourd by going with the common consensus. That vote where I said I wasn't willing to kill Gourd - the same innocent Gourd you in fact voted for. That vote where I voted for the person I thought was acting most aggressively towards Gourd. That vote?


It might have helped a little if you gave a reason instead of just saying "I refuse to lynch Gourd" because Gourd did seem suspicious to many people...

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
esby needs to be taken out probably. if only we had some kind of...gunner...
If only... If only someone never switched votes last minute without explanation he might still be here.

Are you talking about Lockez and me? I think we gave every reason why we suspected Gourd, which I don't think was unreasonable.
pianotm
The TM is for Totally Magical.
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ESBY
demonlord5000
Esby: Hasn't contributed anything, and what was that random piano vote? I really don't know here but he hasn't been useful. Going to put him down here for now.
Do you mean that vote where if I was scum I could've easily voted out Gourd by going with the common consensus. That vote where I said I wasn't willing to kill Gourd - the same innocent Gourd you in fact voted for. That vote where I voted for the person I thought was acting most aggressively towards Gourd. That vote?


So, that vote was basically, "He's playing mafia normally! BURN THE WITCH!" Good to know.

Meanwhile, demon's point stands. You've contributed nothing.
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
esby needs to be taken out probably. if only we had some kind of...gunner...
If only... If only someone never switched votes last minute without explanation he might still be here.

I don't suppose you have any idea who that was now do you?

I quoted that part wrong, damn coding orz
pianotm
The TM is for Totally Magical.
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Yellow Magic
pianotm
Yellow hasn't made a single substantive post that I can see and the one where he actually votes, he says, "Hey! It was a joke and I was too embarrassed to admit it. See someone else's post for my reasons for staying with the vote!"

We already covered this post the previous Day. I don't see what's scummy about it.


That's fine. As I said, it was the most substantial post you made and it offered absolutely nothing. It looks like either careless scum or uninvested town.