CIEL'S PROFILE

author=InfectionFiles
@Ciel
So, you want the users of RMN to see the content you deem important or great

author=InfectionFiles
it's kind of messed up that only blogs that you deem worthy are allowed to stay on the mainpage.

didn't i just, as in JUST NOW 2 DIGITAL MINUTES AGO say i wanted a content visibility management system? a statement from which a personal of moderate intellect could derive 'not what ciel personally deems important'. i also mentioned the fact that i brought this problem i have to the attention of the staff, who not only agreed that it was a problem but, if you knew what you were talking about even slightly, would know that they agreed with the upvoting system and 'most popular of week/month/season system' i proposed to fix the issue. could all of these people who agreed with me mysteriously have the exact same thoughts and opinions on what is good and deserves to be visible, making me the ultimate puppetmaster of what is seen on rmn? (somehow through a system I have no control over????)

this is what i mean about trying to have a discussion with some of the people here. simply amazing. if you were wondering, infection files, the reason some people don't like you is because you make these fucking bizarre assertions based entirely on ignorance or your own fantastical misinterpretations of reality.

author=Solitayre
Quality control is definitely an issue sometimes. Ciel, none of us are saying your concerns aren't valid or don't matter. Hell, most of the things you dislike about the community are the same things I dislike about it. But there comes a point where just railing against it in fits of blind passion/rage (passionrage?) aren't effective.

leo/leah got attention because it was featured. not everything can be featured. visibility on this site is pretty much either astronomical (feature) or very low, since all the venues for content presentation other than feature are poorly designed.

also the closest i have ever come to 'blindly railing' was yesterday, because that was the point at which i decided not to bother anymore. i always always always have extremely well thought out reasoning for everything i say. now i am just posting here to burn down some incredibly inaccurate comments, which is fun for me i guess i lov e to debate!

author=Solitayre
@Ciel

So you're not going to actually make an effort to try to improve anything? Even when invited by the users to try to make a difference you still decline?

ahahahah, i think you missed the part where i exhaustively tried for years in both public and private discussions and typing massive dissertations on the forum about what needs to change and privately addressing all the people in charge at length on multiple occasions, all of whom agreed with everything i said. i've done what i can BRO! there is a point where you have to realize it's hopeless

http://rpgmaker.net/games/1358/blog/4154/

here is an example of it 'working for tft', amazing content rich blog post that disappeared off the front page within 2 minutes by 'made map today' posts and ultimately received almost no attention. sorry but having no form of content visibility management in a high-volume user generated content site is a FUNDAMENTAL FLAW and its potential to negatively impact the site should not be underestimated.

'pageviews have gone up!' ~ monopoly character

how is the md post self defeating?? by discussing these issues in a public venue i am helping promote awareness. why is it helping change things if i post it on rmn but not if i post it somewhere else? i 'promote new ideas' more times per second than most people do in their entire lives XDXDXD

author=Max McGee
* Perpetually unspoken but nonetheless omnipresent assumption that graphics are always and only the most important thing about game design. Shmup would deny this to the death but it permeates their culture.

Not posting this because I feel the need to defend myself or anyone else from this vast sea of frothing ignorance, but this is so hilarious I had to capitalize on it. Here's the very first thing I made for the game I am creating. You know nothing. Don't talk about things you know nothing of. Don't assert that all 30 human beings that visit the same IRC channel think the same way as TFT, thanks in advance 'ser'. How could you possibly know what the channel's members think without actively participating? The evidence available to you externally (Balmung, Leo & Leah) suggests that solid design is a primary component to "SHMUP" game making. Did you just completely fabricate this FACT about shmup in your imagination or did you extrapolate it from the criticism of your Fallout 2 rips placed on top of RMVX RTP? This is the kind of incredible stupidity that makes much of this user base intolerable for an individual of discerning taste.

author=Max McGee
Shmup totally refuses to acknowledge any possibility that the reason they think all VX games being released today are crap and that all 2k3 games from the old days were better is because a) in the old days they were five years younger and easier to impress and b) they are looking at the old-days through the rose tinted glasses of hindsight.

Nope, Rose Chronicles and Balmung and <name classic 2K3 game> are still better than all of your autobattle VX games. Precious few people are making anything of note in the engine, such as YDS and Rhyme. But 2 people can't salvage its reputation when the overwhelming major is RTP/Autobattle. Hence, the lack of optimism for VX in general.

Intentions have no bearing on what actually transpires on this site. The relevant facts are only what can be discerned from the resulting actions taken here. The facts I presented had no basis in 'intentions' recorded behind the scenes, but actual actions taken by both parties. You can present 'months of logs' in any manner you wish but it will not meaningfully change the argument for those with sufficient intellect.

I like that you consider this some sort of war and have been gathering 'intelligence'. Nobody you have been spying on considers themselves at war with you or this place. Kind of weird, dude. We let certain users from RMN idle in our channel despite not really liking or knowing them personally, even when they don't speak at all. Why? Because we don't really care. This is not some cybernetic conflict... to us.

author=Sailerius
Well, he banned Magi. That's a pretty big one.

Still mad because Magi called you out when you said you are justified in ripping custom graphics from other indie games, huh? Yes, we consider ourselves 'superior' when faced with such blatant stupidity and ignorance as that. But any rational being would.

FINAL POST ~ A LEGENDARY LEGEND

I don't want to join in on the baseless conjecture going on, but given Holbert's history of irrational hostility and flippancy towards myself and those within my circle of friends as well as his friendship with WIP (who spontaneously turned on us), I think it is reasonable to consider the possibility that he was waiting for any possible excuse or opportunity to be rid of us.

Of course, when such an opportunity came up, he took it and then urged anyone questioning him to discuss it in 'private'. Why would he do this? Why would he delete the offending posts? Why does everything have to be concealed? Probably because he was not confident in the grounds upon which he took these actions and feared retribution from a user base who would question their validity. He was caught stating blatant falsities in IRC when explaining his reasoning to those who questioned him. Why should anyone believe a proven liar's assurances that the deleted posts contained sufficient justification for his questionable actions?

You, for example, are basing your argument on unsubstantiated evidence. You assert that 'Magi went too far and took potshots at the staff'. Where did this happen? When? What did he say? I'll show you the only thing he said that could possibly be construed as a malicious 'potshot', though it would take several leaps of logic to do so;

author=Magi
we the staff at rmn have deliberated in our esoteric secret ninja council and have chosen sonic and the chaos dragons as the next featured game to commemorate the 15th year anniversary of sonic pinball

Maybe he posted something horrifying that was deleted. Guess we wouldn't know if he had.

Other offenses Magi committed (according to Holbert) that were factored into his ban, such as 'uses external forums/IRC to trash the continuance of rpgmaker.net' are also pure fabrication. Where are these instances of 'trashing the continuance'? What did he do? Where did he do them? Why are these things Holbert uses as justification completely unverifiable? Holbert was standing on a house of cards and he knew it - hence the extreme insistence on absolute concealment of all discussion related to the matter. When YDS took him up on a private discussion, this was the result;

Holbert: There are proper outlets for that like PM. What you are doing is simply for show.
Holbert: I guess it's pointless though.
YDS: I don't see what was wrong with what I did. I posted my feedback on the administration on the site in its proper forum.
Holbert: ... the other threads were locked with a request for no more debate on the subject and you don't see what is wrong?
YDS: I didn't see that. I also don't see why the debate has to be silenced.
YDS: Why is public dessent being kept out of the public eye? That's what the feedback forum is for, I thought.
Holbert: That's not the reason why and you know it. Very well.
YDS: But it is th reason.
YDS: I wouldn't risk being banned from a community I have been in for so long and contributed much to myself if it wasn't for something I honestly believe in.
Holbert: Then you do not know the facts.
YDS: what facts?
YDS: What are his other ~ deadly crimes ~?
Holbert: Very well. Continue your game.
YDS: I was just asking an honest question!

"Take it to PM, but all I will do there is tell you to keep quiet some more."

As for your sentiment that the 'prank' reads like the site has its pants around its ankles and is a fish flopping on land, that is a matter of perspective. As I demonstrated earlier, it is significantly more logical given the circumstances of the prank to read it as an in-joke done in good spirits, and kind of bizarre to view it as anything but.

If your immediate inclination is to feel that the site was embarassed and unfavorably exposed, maybe that's a good indication of how you feel about the site in general. A site generally perceived as a high-quality establishment would obviously not appear as though some facade or pretense was endangered by just such a prank, but a site lacking confidence in its own worth might just be taken down a peg. The fact that your thinking on the matter leans towards the latter suggests you, consciously or not, believe RMN to be lacking in some way. Just a bit of 'psychoanalysis' on my part - I'll leave the rest to the true professionals (Dr.Calunio's upcoming sex DBS game).

It is a privilege to post on a privately owned website, yes, but for a site that functions exclusively via user-generated content (and in RMN's case, user-generated funding as well), the participation of the users is also a privilege to the owner. If not for their ongoing approval of the site, it would be an empty husk of code floating on the internet, or wouldn't exist at all.

I think this 'ordeal' ending with the voluntary departure of numerous members, revocation of funding from at least one, and the apparent resignation of a fellow administrator is evidence enough to say that Holbert's willingness to endanger the stability of the userbase for the sake of fulfilling a personal vendetta and his subsequent cowardice in dealing with the fallout resulting from his questionable actions makes him wholly undeserving of the reins to any sort of community.

author=Sailerius
I'm glad this issue was dealt with quickly and effectively by the site staff.

I think I am done bringing logic and reason to this place. It is exhausting to see staggering ignorance time and again from users and staff alike, demonstrate their fallacy with a few very elementary insights, and be met only with sheepish acquiescence. The impression of utter incompetence and mental ineptitude I have received from these people again and again, as well the ongoing failure of promised changes to be made to the site (where are those upvoting/content visibility features Holbert promised just after receiving the funding to buy the server?) make it impossible to have any confidence in RMN's future.

When this site was made GW was on a steep decline, myself and the other ex-GW mods that made the foundation of 'shmup' chose to throw our support behind it and our then-buddy WIP in hopes of a better digital tomorrow. I was the first person to post on the test RMN forums along with Blindmind as soon as WIP finished coding them. I didn't think I would be posting again years later in utter disgust at the direction the site had gone. It is saturated with low-quality content, ignorance, baseless hostility, and as I learned during extensive talks with kentona and SFLavalle, ideas on how to improve the site must be spoon-fed to the staff because they have none of their own. Every effort can be made to give your input but virtually no action will be taken. RMN was great for a time but its failures eventually compounded on themselves and at present it is just another 'infection file' on the eternal datastream.

As our dear departed buddy magi might say; 'ciao'

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