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I enjoy playing and creating games (mostly RPGs) and have a love of story and characterisation above graphics. I've been into RM* since '96 and have used all makers - started on the PSX makers, found and used a patched version of the SNES RM, then moved to RM95. When I found RM2K I finally decided to join some forums and I've been a part of the community ever since.
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Site last broken: 7th January, 2017
Before that: 24th May 2016
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Absolute Justice
Site last broken: 7th January, 2017
Before that: 24th May 2016
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A.I. Generation and RMN
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If I remind correctly, I used AI just once for a game in RMN: thispersondoesnotexist (RMN's 14th birthday event).
Some people use AI because they don't know how to create their own (good quality) assets.
Not everybody has the skill (and the software) to compose a soundtrack.
Not everybody has the skill to create a nice battle background.
Not everybody has the skill to create a cool story.
A very old monster I created for side-view battles. I'm pretty sure AI could do way better but that's fine.
That's why you grind up your exp and put forth effort to learn and grow. 'tis the rpg maker way.
A.I. Generation and RMN
I don't know how to say it more than I already have, but we will take each future instance case by case, because we know there's places where people are going to get resources and not realised they're AI-generated and people who miss this post about the rules and don't realise. We're not going to be all damnation and hellfire on people - when the fuck have we ever been except when the rules were broken and even then I like to think we give more chances than we probably should sometimes (god knows people complain about how soft I can be as it is XD )?
And those who already submitted their games to their site with AI resources included won't be penalised for it, bar being told that A) they will need to remove those resources if the game wants to remain on the site, and B) that going forward we ask they don't do this again as it's part of the site rules. As with all cases where we investigate theft or resource issues, the gamepage will be denied (not deleted - we NEVER delete. That power only lies with the developer/s.) pending investigation or change.
In the case they don't want to change, that's fine... the game won't be accepted and they can post it elsewhere if they like, just not here. If they press the issue and cause a fuss as some people have done in the past, it may progress to a ban, but that would be based on your reaction, not the actual act of submitting a game. (I have clarified this a bit better in the OP - sorry if people were thinking we were going to go on a banning spree for even submitting a game with AI resources, that's not the case.)
And those who already submitted their games to their site with AI resources included won't be penalised for it, bar being told that A) they will need to remove those resources if the game wants to remain on the site, and B) that going forward we ask they don't do this again as it's part of the site rules. As with all cases where we investigate theft or resource issues, the gamepage will be denied (not deleted - we NEVER delete. That power only lies with the developer/s.) pending investigation or change.
In the case they don't want to change, that's fine... the game won't be accepted and they can post it elsewhere if they like, just not here. If they press the issue and cause a fuss as some people have done in the past, it may progress to a ban, but that would be based on your reaction, not the actual act of submitting a game. (I have clarified this a bit better in the OP - sorry if people were thinking we were going to go on a banning spree for even submitting a game with AI resources, that's not the case.)
A.I. Generation and RMN
Yeah, if it's your own stuff, you can do what you want with it because it's your own stuff... well, within reason. Something like artbreeder using only your own images would be fine, but using your own image mixed with someone else's would be a problem. Hope that makes sense.
One day they'll listen to me and not argue. It'll probably be the day I quit and the quitting is what they don't argue about. XD
One day they'll listen to me and not argue. It'll probably be the day I quit and the quitting is what they don't argue about. XD
A.I. Generation and RMN
It really is a dumb argument because we've been very clear on what we do and do not allow when it comes to ripping anyway. We have rules for it. It's not a carte blanc on any and all rips to use however you want, whenever.
- you can't commercialise anything with rips
- you can't claim rips as your own work (yes, even traced over or 'used as base' edits)
- you can't use rips from fellow indie game devs (meaning, don't use graphics from, say, Omori or Undertale or the like (at least without permission))
They've been the rules for years and have been upheld since they were put into effect.
As for the "but how would you even know, you can't police everything" argument - of course we can't. That's why we have the ability to deny things retroactively and have done in the past. Hawkmen didn't even have a game attached when it was accepted to the site but once it was and once players saw that it was equating things like sexual assault to 'asking for it', it was removed asap.
If you knowingly create a game that uses AI content and then the game is later found to have AI content, it'll get removed. Just like any game that was found to have porn or found to have stolen anything. Sure, we'll check first, but if we find it to be true, then it'll fall on your head for either knowingly breaking the rules or using art that you didn't bother to check credit for (which you should be doing anyway). Either way, it was your own failure, but again, it'd be taken case by case.
- you can't commercialise anything with rips
- you can't claim rips as your own work (yes, even traced over or 'used as base' edits)
- you can't use rips from fellow indie game devs (meaning, don't use graphics from, say, Omori or Undertale or the like (at least without permission))
They've been the rules for years and have been upheld since they were put into effect.
As for the "but how would you even know, you can't police everything" argument - of course we can't. That's why we have the ability to deny things retroactively and have done in the past. Hawkmen didn't even have a game attached when it was accepted to the site but once it was and once players saw that it was equating things like sexual assault to 'asking for it', it was removed asap.
If you knowingly create a game that uses AI content and then the game is later found to have AI content, it'll get removed. Just like any game that was found to have porn or found to have stolen anything. Sure, we'll check first, but if we find it to be true, then it'll fall on your head for either knowingly breaking the rules or using art that you didn't bother to check credit for (which you should be doing anyway). Either way, it was your own failure, but again, it'd be taken case by case.
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