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a 2.5d explorer/horror game about NEURAL-9, a memory disease that spreads via eye contact
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Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
author=demonlord5000
Psy's point is exactly why I think scum would not target gourd. Gourd does not count as town in player count conditions, What you just proposed (town, scum, gourd), doesn't scum win in that condition precisely because of the gourd not counting thing?
I actually had completely forgotten about this. That does make it less likely. I'm not sure why my good/not-good choice of target for the doc power would make me more/less likely to be scum though.
@cave: re: role, I'm a frontier doctor (literacy required, medical knowledge optional). Its sheer watered-downedness is part of what made a duelist look crazy on day 1, when it was next to two very shaky powers that I thought both belonged to town.
For what it's worth I was kidding about Gourd analysis stuff with demon (thus the ~~~~), I don't actually think that makes him more likely to be scum, the reasons after the vote do.
If I were scum I'd totally accept the proposal because it indeed does look hilarious but unfortunately I'm not and can't.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
Atiya makes sense as a kill in that they were the towniest town and under zero suspicion. Everyone else (except demonlord) has had heat on them at some point or another. If scum is angling for an endgame in which Gourd is alive, having Atiya around would be a really big liability.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
Confirmed town is not great for scum to have around. Endgames with Gourd alive look not great for scum (think Gourd+townie+scum). That's cool you were analyzing in depth who scum should target though~
I highly doubt there were 3 scum in a 10 player game.
re: cave, if he were lying about that wincon, there are reasons both for town to do that and for scum to do that. I took it at face value first, then thought he was bluffing, now I think he actually has it, because a duelist who also wins by duelhammering the sheriff sounds funny as hell.
#lynch demonlord
I kind of still think his claim sucks, ^ that reads like a scumpost, his end of D2 behavior looks shady in light of Liberty's flip, and I don't have much else on anyone else
I highly doubt there were 3 scum in a 10 player game.
re: cave, if he were lying about that wincon, there are reasons both for town to do that and for scum to do that. I took it at face value first, then thought he was bluffing, now I think he actually has it, because a duelist who also wins by duelhammering the sheriff sounds funny as hell.
#lynch demonlord
I kind of still think his claim sucks, ^ that reads like a scumpost, his end of D2 behavior looks shady in light of Liberty's flip, and I don't have much else on anyone else
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
"I die when sheriff dies" was the answer. Not really answer, but, that at least makes sense as a wincon vs what was said earlier.
I forget if I townread Fomar, I don't think I really noticed him at all because d1 was just Odd vs Cave and I figured after the flip I'd be daykilled.
I forget if I townread Fomar, I don't think I really noticed him at all because d1 was just Odd vs Cave and I figured after the flip I'd be daykilled.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
I don't think going after Cave for his wincon is valid. It is 100% confirmed that a rider wincon like that exists because Atiya flipped with it. Whether cave has that wincon or is bluffing about it, I don't really care, and probably won't until LYLO. If I were smarter I probably would've claimed to have it myself.
Cap I thought was scum-looking but has improved a bit -- mostly I don't understand why he'd consistently townread Cavedog as scum. I think cap's vote would've been able to get Cave killed a couple times and I think daykilling cave would be high scum priority.
Cave's point on demon's wincon is pretty solid. That's probably where my vote would be if I had to cast it now. Next up would be Ozzy because I believe Cap's claim. Ozzy's looks the most in doubt at that point. I hate reading claims and not votes, might reread.
@demon: My rationale for protecting Gourd on N1 is that I had no solid townreads but Atiya, and I doubted that was who scum would target. I can imagine a world in which scum targets Gourd on N1/N2/N3 whatever in order to keep the list of suspects long.
also @demon: can you clarify if your wincon is "and" or "or" the town wincon?
Cap I thought was scum-looking but has improved a bit -- mostly I don't understand why he'd consistently townread Cavedog as scum. I think cap's vote would've been able to get Cave killed a couple times and I think daykilling cave would be high scum priority.
Cave's point on demon's wincon is pretty solid. That's probably where my vote would be if I had to cast it now. Next up would be Ozzy because I believe Cap's claim. Ozzy's looks the most in doubt at that point. I hate reading claims and not votes, might reread.
@demon: My rationale for protecting Gourd on N1 is that I had no solid townreads but Atiya, and I doubted that was who scum would target. I can imagine a world in which scum targets Gourd on N1/N2/N3 whatever in order to keep the list of suspects long.
also @demon: can you clarify if your wincon is "and" or "or" the town wincon?
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
@cap: I don't think analyzing the D1 nightkill is useful at all. Fomar had claimed to have a PR. Why do you think Demon would be unlikely to go after Fomar on N1 anyway? Demon wasn't even in the game that day.
@cave: I protected Gourd on N1. Part of me endorsing the idea of a "kill Gourd to win" faction yesterday was attempting to bait scum into targeting him to remove his 1-shot bulletproof. thought you were probably bluffing on the wincon yesterday as well.
I misread Atiya's alt condition -- I thought it was only to be on a successful train on the sheriff vs hammering them. It makes me more inclined to think town-Cave isn't bluffing and actually has that.
@cave: I protected Gourd on N1. Part of me endorsing the idea of a "kill Gourd to win" faction yesterday was attempting to bait scum into targeting him to remove his 1-shot bulletproof. thought you were probably bluffing on the wincon yesterday as well.
I misread Atiya's alt condition -- I thought it was only to be on a successful train on the sheriff vs hammering them. It makes me more inclined to think town-Cave isn't bluffing and actually has that.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
Count looks incorrect -- there are more than 1 Liberty votes for instance, and I think only 7 alive.
Strongly prefer killing Liberty today. It was already kind of dug into in detail but her case on Cave looks constructed. (the one Odd I guess could be too but I was willing to overlook it as Liberty logic)
@Ozzy: I'm not concerned about the kill-Gourd-to-win faction actually winning that way. It'd require scum to using a nightkill on Gourd's bulletproofness, actually coordinating that wincon during the day, and killing weird people (only those without the additional wincon).
Plus daykilling town with the addition kill-Gourd wincon involves, well, killing town.
re: Ozzy scumminess, I don't think him talking about cowboy means anything at all, yeah -- I explicitly asked him to name it. My opinion is that Ozzy's vote in D1 looks good enough for now where I don't want to kill him today.
Strongly prefer killing Liberty today. It was already kind of dug into in detail but her case on Cave looks constructed. (the one Odd I guess could be too but I was willing to overlook it as Liberty logic)
@Ozzy: I'm not concerned about the kill-Gourd-to-win faction actually winning that way. It'd require scum to using a nightkill on Gourd's bulletproofness, actually coordinating that wincon during the day, and killing weird people (only those without the additional wincon).
Plus daykilling town with the addition kill-Gourd wincon involves, well, killing town.
re: Ozzy scumminess, I don't think him talking about cowboy means anything at all, yeah -- I explicitly asked him to name it. My opinion is that Ozzy's vote in D1 looks good enough for now where I don't want to kill him today.
Sheriff Mafia (GAME OVER)
@demon: To elaborate why I don't think this is suspicious, I'd guess it's a rider on some towns' roles that allow them to win as a faction, so scum can declare themselves and run out the sheriff if the "kill scum or Gourd to win" town members outnumber the "kill scum to win" members. It'd be a good setup gimmick and explain why town has PRs on top of the existence of the sheriff.
(potentially Fomar also had a "town that could also kill Gourd" alignment and he was indeed fake town)
(potentially Fomar also had a "town that could also kill Gourd" alignment and he was indeed fake town)
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