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[MAFIA] Prisoner's Dilemma. Game Over

Fomar, Can I ask why you hammered Piano?

author=OzzyTheOne
Just putting my vote out there and Emily is certainly our most suspicios person right now, I can't tell why, but I feel like PA is just town who tried to play scum for fools hence his general insanity. And I'm still weary of the possibility of Emily nightkilling Shinan exactly because it would incriminate her and therefore make it look like she's being framed.


I mean I get it, but also that would be an extremely bad play if I was scum. No matter the result of today, now I am basically forever-suspicious until I die. That doesn't strike me as a good decision if I was one scum against eight town.

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author=demonlord5000
Looks like on day 2 you were also one of the last votes again on piano. I also find it weird you didn't vote for PA on day 2 after being convinced he was scum on day 1. He had several points on him at one point. Granted those piano votes came in quick so being 5th to vote isn't that strange here, I do think it was weird you didn't go after PA again.


I didn't really pursue a lynch on PA even later in D1 because it was clear most people had decided he was just playing a wacky town game, and so it didn't seem productive to get a D1 lynch to pursue that (plus if basically everyone thought I was wrong, then I was probably wrong). The Liberty/Piano argument made me more suspicious of them instead, and Psy's role claim seemed very suspicious too. I was OK with lynching any of them (especially for D1), they all seemed highly suspicious to me. I was however wrong on one thing, Psy's claim was actually real, but Ivory pointed out how even if it was real it wasn't a very town role to have anyway. D2, there was also talk about lynching Piano D2 and PA D3, so why bother saying "NO LYNCH PA RIGHT NOW!", when I also believed Piano was suspicious (far more so than PA at that point). I also kind of figure that if basically everyone thinks he probably isn't scum, then I was probably just wrong at first. That's why I backed off on PA in general.

author=kittenfood
i think she is suspicious too. after the immediate conclusion that a new player had killed shinan or that it was also solely to frame her.


If it isn't to frame me, then it does an extremely good job.

I'm also not sure why all this talk about me racing to vote for Piano. I believed he was scum, so I did vote for him. But I didn't do the hammer. I really likely wouldn't have done the hammer myself either without at the very least waiting for him to respond first. I was hardly alone in that vote, and I voted neither first nor last. I expected a LOT more discussion before the lynch happened.

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Ninja'ed.

It's true, I didn't vote for Psy on the first runnup, because I would have hammered and I wanted to hear what he would say/claim first.

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I think that's true. I did the second-to-last vote on both Psy and Piano (I think at least, I can't be asked to go back and double check). But I did say I would vote to lynch Psy pretty early, when he had just a couple votes. And (obviously this isn't verifiable, but...) I held back when he was at hammer, just to see what his response would be.

The second lynch was so quick though (we went from like 2 votes to hammer really quickly), I'm not sure I'd consider many really being deep in that.

Wasn't fomar also late in both lynches too?

I'm just not clear on what this signifies, though.

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Can I just remind everyone that I agreed that Psy was suspicious, and I put a vote on him when the time came? I also said I was very suspicious of Liberty, who turned out to be scum. If I could just be scum who was busing, then lots of people could have been scum who were busing.

Why would I NK someone who voted for me, when no one else kept a vote on me? No one was seriously following Shinan's lead, and there are confirmed town. If I'm scum, why would I ignore a clear target and then silence the only person who kept a vote on me? I think it's supposed to go with the Piano lynch, since at the time he was the only other person saying he really thought I was scum. I guess all of my one-and-a-half enemies are dead. How convenient.

There is 1 scum against 8 town right now. It makes the most sense to me that scum would want to lie low.

author=ivoryjones
author=PlatinumAshes
author=ivoryjones
No one's lynching anyone unless it's almost the deadline.
That's genious, why didn't we think of that earlier? /s
Don't even try to be fcking cheeky with me now. I only ever mentioned me and Ozzy's intentions and not once did I say to jump on the bandwagon immediately.

It's you guys who didn't wait on piano, not us.


I didn't think we were just going to jump right to hammer like that.

author=ivoryjones
Thanks, fomar.

The fact that I've asked everyone to claim D2/D3 and AE not addressing it is really alarming. You brushed a lot of stuffs. You brushed piano's and shinan's vote on you. And now you're not even willing to claim if you had a role or not, which is still very fishy.


I'm vanilla town. I didn't realize basically everyone had already claimed at this point.

author=tale
I meant recent shinan's post into context with the post before-

"Y'all know I'm right. Just give into it." -This was after piano canceled his emily vote and piano share his words of wisdom.

Doesn't anyone agree that I'm more suspicious than PA? Don't kill PA


Why does that make you suspicious? I'm pretty sure that was just Shinan repeating that he believed I was scum.

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author=oddRABBIT
PA's been acting pretty weird, but I really think that's just his character? In all honesty, I really can't read him?


I feel the same now. At this point, I think I was reading way too much into his early moves.

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author=oddRABBIT
Everyome feels like town. Well, Piano didn't, but it's obvious how that ended up. So, I don't think I can really give many accurate reads?


Do you feel that way about PA too?

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author=ivoryjones
Emily, I really, really, think it's mighty fucking suspicious that you chose to ignore shinan's and piano's vote on you, and also esp me calling you out prior to voting on piano. Your well-timed vote on piano was too much of a coincidence showing you're actually around yet seemed like you're rushing too much to place a vote on anyone/get someone hammered.


When you say you called me out, do you mean this?

author=ivoryjones
AE - See, the thing about AE is that, she's actually too good to be scum. At first, she explicitly stated that she was very willing to lynch either PA or psy. Then after piano and lib's "argument", she also said she'd be willing to lynch either. When the time came, she did put the nail on the coffin on psy. At first, she lynched tale at the beginning of the game, which she shortly retracted and said she "doesn't believe" is scum. Later she lynched PA because she thought his "claim" was "too much of a stretch". She's been very wise with her votes so far and not being all-over the place - the type that the more you think about it, the more you think maybe there's more to her..! There is a small chance that since she knows I'm a very aggressive player, she's been trying to stay as smart as possible and not raise any suspicions towards my end, and that she's trying to play her cards right.


You started out way more aggressive than I thought any scum would, and basically all your decisions have been pretty bad for scum. Particularly when you voted for Psy, which I thought was kind of the turning point and the train really started rolling. So I've consistently believed your town, and generally trusted your judgement because of it.

Also in all fairness, I didn't really "put the nail on the coffin" for Psy. I held back hammer to hear what he had to say, and then I put the second-to-last vote on before the hammer.

For me responding to Piano, I generally don't like responding to people accusing me when I think I'm being open.

For Piano, I just didn't have a lot to say about what he was saying at that time. I probably should have taken it more seriously when he was talking about how he started the train on Psy, but I thought the instant cancel after Psy's claim made it look like him calling out Psy could have been a show of some hard to describe feeling.

Obviously that was incorrect.

I'm not sure what you would expect me to say about Shinan's vote. I didn't respond because there wasn't really anything to respond to.

Also, we all agreed that Piano was suspicious (although not for the same reasons I believe). I'm not sure why my vote is well placed, I didn't do the hammering. Many people voted in a short amount of time (although in fairness your vote did NOT ninja me). I personally thought people were going to wait for the hammer until he could respond, too.

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Well, of course I'm going to tell you that the NK was to cast suspicion on me, at a point where opinion of me was shifting from probably town to just maybe town.

A PA lynch still seems OK to me, since his tactics make him (maybe just to me) seem highly scummy, and even if he is town it doesn't feel like he is doing us any favors.

Others have indicated that he seems to just be town playing in a wacky way. Is that the main reason to want to lynch him?

But it does feel to me like the final scum is likely to be a new player. This last move seems kind of weak. I was already expecting that I was fairly likely to be lynched next after (or possibly even instead of) PA, just because of people's posts about me, Shinan voting for me, and then Piano flipping town. So it's a little surprising to me that scum thought I needed more implication. And also because yeah, we have confirmed town, one of whom might even have another ability they haven't used yet.

Also perhaps this is reading too much into things, but Liberty spent a decent amount of time trying to generally protect newer players. I guess that could have been honest, but it could have been a scum play to protect newer players, or maybe even the opposite to try to implicate newer players if she was originally intended to be bused (being vanilla scum and all).

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Yeah, if we have masons, a vigilante, and (probably?) a bodyguard, then it seems like we must be in a good position role-wise.

I'm still onboard with a PA or a Piano lynch. I'm no longer absolutely certain Piano is scum, but I'm still really leaning scum.

#lynch Piano