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War of Two Worlds Review

author=pianotm
Man, this guy's so butthurt, I'd swear he's the developer.


I'm not the developer. How can any sane person come to this stupid conclusion?

author=pianotm
Sorry. I agree with thesacredlobo and I definitely don't agree with you. I don't see 140 reviews from you, but I see a lot of snide, confrontational comments from you towards thesacredlobo, who is putting up with you.


And that justifies your insults towards me?

author=pianotm
He's played 70+ hours. Are you really demanding that someone tear into every corner of a game they're not enjoying and continue the length of the review? People have a life, and they're not here to service you.


It should be his ambition to service all potential readers of his reviews. Even if he had that ambition, he clearly failed. Am I not allowed to state this simple fact?


author=pianotm
Please explain why you're defending Siddon.


I already did. There isn't any definite proof that he even touched Sarisa. This isn't my reason to defend him, I'm just saying he isn't as evil/bad as you all claim.

author=pianotm
Your defense of Siddon alarms and disturbs me.


Why should I - or anyone at all - care?

author=pianotm
It's pretty clear from Sarisa's conversation about this topic with Siddon after he joins up that these advances weren't appreciated. And, while saying he's a potential rapist might be going a bit too far. Reducing Siddon's crimes down to sexual harassment doesn't make him that much better in my opinion.


Your post is inconsistent, you can't even make up your mind if you think Siddon is a rapist or a potential rapist. It's probably all the same to you anyway.

author=pianotm
Now, this is a leap in logic, especially since we clearly see that Sarisa has lost trust in Siddon because of these advances she wouldn't have struggled against. But please, continue justifying why attempted rape is okay.


Do you have any real life experience when it comes to women? Their feelings can sometimes be complex. Maybe Sarisa wouldn't have struggled against Siddon's advances, but still would have lost her trust in him, because he tried to take advantage of the situation and her conflicted feelings.

author=pianotm
Basically: Siddon didn't do anything wrong! But I still think he's an ass! Also, he tried to sleep with a woman who definitely said no, but it's okay because she wouldn't have resisted, a statement that I absolutely cannot support, so therefore, he's not a sex offender. Do I have that right?


Let me help you. You say: Someone who possibly tried (or possibly didn't try to) sexually offend a woman is the greatest evil on earth. I say: Yes, Siddon shouldn't have behaved that way, but nothing really happened, so calm down. Why are we even talking about Siddon with regard to a game in which one of the antagonists kills his own parents?

author=pianotm
Essentially, your whole argument seems to be "It can't be attempted rape, because if he had succeeded, she would have liked it".


If Sarisa hadn't struggled against Siddon's advances despite not liking them, then Siddon wouldn't have been considered a sex offender in many constitutional states. Yes, even law experts would debate for hours if this is attempted rape or not, and it would still depend on the individual circumstances and the country's law. Who knows, maybe rape isn't even a crime in the game's world.

author=pianotm
This is the most absurd bit of bullshit I've ever read, and I'm on a gaming site. So many Nintendo and Super Nintendo era titles managed to make good JRPGs without a ridiculous amount of backtracking. You don't have to do a single dungeon twice in Dragon Quest. Doing dungeons twice in Final Fantasy is only ever optional. And many dungeons, you don't even have to do once. This game shoved that damned forest down my throat so much in the first two hours I wanted to throw up! Quit defending bad game design.


Which part of "structurally induced" don't you understand? The way the world map is structured, it makes perfect sense that the party has to go back and forth between already visited locations. It's just different game design, not necessarily bad. I even prever this kind of game design to one which doesn't offer any incentive to visit a location for a second time later.

author=pianotm
Bad writing is bad writing, and whether you like or hate the game, you can't get around the fact that the writing in this game is plain incompetent! And what kind of "heroes" get to make that judgement?


How many games from this site did you play? It can't be that many if you don't see that War of Two Worlds offers comparatively (!) solid writing. Of course, it isn't a writing masterpiece either, but it's still better in this regard than 90 % of the others games on this site.

author=pianotm
And this. This is the comment that made me finally respond to your douchebaggery. Quit being an ass.


Quit telling me what to quit.

Visitorsfromdreams' post proves that the rape bullshit already succeeded. Some people are just stupid, and some people really should know better.

War of Two Worlds Review

author=thesacredlobo
author=KyleLascar
To summarize, you're clearly biased, which ruins your review as much as the game's flaws ruined your enjoyment.
A review by its very nature is someone giving their opinion. As such, it was always going to be biased.


Well, you could at least try to be as objective as possible. Certain (types of) players that don't ascribe as much importance to the game's flaws as you do will enjoy this game especially because of the features you didn't mention and the - therefore - questionable review score.

author=thesacredlobo
author=KyleLascar
He doesn't fight the party with clear intent to kill
Considering if you lose to him its an instant game over. I don't agree with your assessment.


Lost fights in JRPGs usually result in game overs, but not necessarily in the party members' deaths. If Siddon had managed to keep the stolen orb, the party wouldn't have been able to save the world without being killed on the spot. As long as it isn't cleary stated that Siddon kills the party members after winning the fight, we're only talking about your assumption.

author=thesacredlobo
author=KyleLascar
the object he stole from the party would have ended up in the hands of the enemy one way or another
He also tried to steal Mia's healing orb and utterly failed at it. And, I'm pretty sure that never did end up back in the enemies hands.


The story demands that the player gets the orb back in order to have a fighting chance, and the story also demands that Drake gains control of all dragons. In other words: Siddon only sped up proceedings or couldn't cause any harm anyway, which is the reason why he's able to attain most people's forgiveness.

author=thesacredlobo
author=KyleLascar
the story is rather vague about how much (attempted) sexual harassment is involved
I'm not exactly sure why you keep defending Siddon on this point. Since, your starting to make yourself look like your okay with women being sexual harassed. Especially when we know that Sarisa is unable to truly trust Siddon after what he did to her.


No need to get personal just because the game doesn't provide detailed information to support whatever it is you assume. We only know that he wanted and maybe tried to sleep with Sarisa even though she didn't want this solely because of her marriage to Drake (she was - nonetheless - attracted to Siddon, if Lorelai's discoveries/speculations can be trusted). This alone can be enough to break a person's trust, but we don't know if Siddon even touched her at all. In the end, nothing of significance happened thanks to Granheim spotting them, which is once again the reason why people are able to forgive Siddon. To clarify: I'm not okay with women being sexually harassed, and I still think that Siddon is an asshole, but he just isn't as big an asshole (or sex offender) as you suggest. Even the most enthusiastic metoo fanatic should be able to acknowledge this.

author=thesacredlobo
author=KyleLascar
I think the score is too harsh and even inconsistent considering your review history, since you gave even most bare-bones two hours long games you had played at least two full stars.
At least most of those games didn't feel like they were actively trying to waste my time. And, I've given even harsher scores to some games in the past as well.


If you think a bit of structurally induced backtracking and some seemingly needless padding is equivalent to wasting your time, maybe JRPGs just aren't for you. "No fillers, only killers" is a nearly unattainable ideal.

author=thesacredlobo
author=KyleLascar
It's misleading that you don't mention the game's (other) features.
I also didn't talk about how I think the game managed to ruin all of Drake's commanding officers either. Or how much I hate the fact that the game forces you to spare Skyler for no apparent reason but requires you to kill Mika.


You can't really hold the lack of freedom of choice against a classic old school JRPG from almost 15 years ago. Furthermore, the game offers sufficient explanation for these events. Skyler was just a misguided little cog in a big wheel. What can and can't be forgiven and the atrocity of needless killing (but also the need to kill if there isn't any other choice) are major themes throughout the story. The need to kill Mika works in conjunction with these themes: Sometimes it's inevitable to kill a foe that trys to kill you and can't be stopped otherwise - even if it's a former (now mind-controlled or brainwashed) ally. While the party members shouldn't sacrifice themselves to preserve one brainwashed animal (that has to be killed either way to weaken Drake), it's understandable that a 100 years old Balthasar sacrifices himself so that the party can finally damage and defeat the otherwise unstoppable Granheim (I definitely would have mentioned the unwinnable boss fights against him in my recent article if I had completed my second playthrough beforehand). Yeah, these events hurt. They wouldn't hurt, though, if you could simply avoid them.

author=thesacredlobo
author=KyleLascar
a simple crafting system
I actually have quite a few complaints about that system.


Why? Did you fail at crafting Ribbons? :D I didn't watch your let's plays (I don't watch let's plays in general), but I wonder how much of the optional content you actually completed.

War of Two Worlds Review

While your arguments are sound and valid, I think the score is too harsh and even inconsistent considering your review history, since you gave even most bare-bones two hours long games you had played at least two full stars. War of Two Worlds is as old school as it gets when it comes to killing the same monsters for hours in one dungeon, but - compared to other games who rely on this procedure - it's still fun. At least the developer dabbled in worldbuilding and crafting a compelling story, and the player can feel his passion and see how well-wrought most of the game's designs are.

Admittedly, learning that the mind stat is irrelevant is a big letdown, but this way battles at least pose a challenge (resource-wise). It's misleading that you don't mention the game's (other) features. There's a variety of optional areas and side quests (ultimate weapons, colosseum, detective side quest - to name a few) and a simple crafting system. Furthermore, the player can recruit NPCs for his airship. Many of the game's secrets are well-hidden and demand that the player thinks for himself to figure them out. Also, consider that this game was released 2004. It must have been revolutionary at that time. Even nowadays there aren't many noncommercial RPG Maker 2003 JRPGs of this scope that offer more old school fun.

Finally, your review would benefit if you didn't treat Siddon Social-Justice-Warrior-exaggeration-style. Compared to all JRPG bad guys (supposedly) turned good, he's relatively harmless. He doesn't fight the party with clear intent to kill, the object he stole from the party would have ended up in the hands of the enemy one way or another, and the story is rather vague about how much (attempted) sexual harassment is involved. While Siddon doesn't contribute much to the story, he doesn't ruin it in any way.

To summarize, you're clearly biased, which ruins your review as much as the game's flaws ruined your enjoyment.

War of Two Worlds

author=geopup1
I have 4 Dragon Crests and 3 Dragon Emblems and the Master Sage says I don't have the right equipment. They are both in my inventory and not equipped. why won't he make me Ribbons?


My post probably doesn't help you now, but maybe other players in the distant future at least. This is an annoying bug, but there's a simple solution: If you have exactly 1 copy of each (Dragon Emblem and Dragon Crest) in your inventory (i.e. not equipped on anyone), it will work, so just equip your excess Dragon Crests on your (active and not active) party members. You can obtain Dragon Emblems only one at a time anyway, which means you should let the Master Sage synthesize a Ribbon each time you get a Dragon Emblem.

author=matski
Also, how do you remove the barrier to "Ancient Mine?"


The Ancient Mine can be accessed by opening a particular treasure chest in the second part of the final dungeon (End of the World - through the portal). You'll know which one I mean, since you get a message about a now broken barrier after having opened this particular treasure chest.

War of Two Worlds Review

I'm currently playing the game for the second time (my first playthrough was years ago), and I noticed something during the detective side quest. Lorelai's investigations concerning Siddon (third entry) offer a different perspective on past events:

Lorelai says: "I guess there was some sort of attraction between them (Siddon and Sarisa) and then... ya know..." This means: Sarisa didn't want to cheat on Drake (she was most likely afraid of him even then), but she was attracted to Siddon nonetheless. If they hadn't been "caught in the act" by Granheim, Sarisa probably wouldn't have struggled against Siddon's advances. Yes, the game is vague, maybe even contradictory when it comes to this "affair", but the game doesn't provide anything that would support the "attempted rape theory". Siddon is still an egoistical traitor and a scumbag (he mainly wanted to sleep with Sarisa to get back at Drake, who - after his coronation - demoted Siddon in favor of Granheim), yet he, at least, isn't a sex offender.


Another question entirely is if someone who saved the world should be allowed to rape as many women as he wants. Daring question in this metoo age. :D

War of Two Worlds Review

Well, the world would still be saved then and the woman still wouldn't be raped. Could be worse.

War of Two Worlds Review

That's a lot to deal with, but still doesn't matter if he saves or helps to save the world, right? I mean: You could still punish or even kill him after the world has been saved.

War of Two Worlds Review

Let me get this straight: You wouldn't increase your chances of saving the world just because of one - not even completed - rape?

Anything Else? A Question for the fans/players.

Most people prefer a completely new game to new content for an old game. ;)

War of Two Worlds

It's unfortunate that it doesn't work for you, but editing the RPG_RT.ini - a mere text document - shouldn't be responsible for crashing your computer.