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Azure Dreams...sort of.
post=140484
-Each day you can choose to rest (do nothing, but get a day-long stat boost if you enter the tower the next day), enter the tower, or explore the town.
I'm not finding any reason to not go rest->tower every time you want to enter the tower. Why even have the option?
Game Pet Peeves
Sounds like you're running with the assumption that the player -will- want to grind and designing the game around trying to prevent that. That...doesn't sound very fun.
Hint: "Levelling up" should not be the challenge, being a murder machine -without- grinding should be
Hint: "Levelling up" should not be the challenge, being a murder machine -without- grinding should be
this is not an all encompassing statement
What are you thinking about right now?
Bonuses versus Setbacks
Except when it gets a Ghost type switched on it and then the opponent has every right to be the world's smuggest gloater. Setbacks !!
Bonuses versus Setbacks
I don't think the design philosophy has to be quite that black and white, but for the sake of argument - I would call Setbacks preferable.
I'll illustrate with another example:
Bonuses only: The Air Elementalist class innately resists Air element.
Setbacks: The Air Elementalist class innately resists Air element, and has an innate weakness to Earth element.
The difference here is the latter gives you more options to consider. A monster's elemental attack can now do neutral, weakened or strengthened damage, whereas in the bonuses model only the first two would apply. Going by Craze-examples, equipment/classes can lower your stats as opposed to just raising them in a setback-based model, which gives you one more thing to take into account. There is a tradeoff for the great power of Berserk, which makes you ask "is this worth it?" rather than just be a no-brainer buff spell.
Summary: Setback-model makes the game more complex but ultimately often enrichens the experience.
I'll illustrate with another example:
Bonuses only: The Air Elementalist class innately resists Air element.
Setbacks: The Air Elementalist class innately resists Air element, and has an innate weakness to Earth element.
The difference here is the latter gives you more options to consider. A monster's elemental attack can now do neutral, weakened or strengthened damage, whereas in the bonuses model only the first two would apply. Going by Craze-examples, equipment/classes can lower your stats as opposed to just raising them in a setback-based model, which gives you one more thing to take into account. There is a tradeoff for the great power of Berserk, which makes you ask "is this worth it?" rather than just be a no-brainer buff spell.
Summary: Setback-model makes the game more complex but ultimately often enrichens the experience.
Rpg Battle Systems
Let's do this, first some systems I like in general
- Non-frontview pure CTB. (Ex: Atelier Iris 3, Final Fantasy X) A heavenly system with so much potential for varied pure RPG-battle goodness without being overcluttered or overcomplicated. It's just the perfect clean slate though - the enjoyability is fully dependent on the design of the systems and fights built around it. Sadly all games I've played have some issues with it - AI3 does best, but it has the cardinal flaw of being way, way too easy. (Non-frontview specified because it's much more intuitive to process the information of a character getting visually hit than just a line of numbers changing on your status window, for the record.)
- CTB tactical map. (Ex: Final Fantasy Tactics) Similarly, the way to go for SRPGs. I consider the LFT hack to be pretty much the ultimate experience in this regard in terms of straight up tactics RPG gameplay.
And talking more specific...
- CTB tactical map, now with summoning and resource control (Vantage Master) A duel of summoners! Figure out which creatures to use and how, secure magic stones to keep up MP regeneration, take a swing at the enemy's forces with your hero itself if you dare, even. Simply brilliant and has online multiplayer as a bonus.
- CTB tactical map, now with summoning and did you just literally hit me with a trainwreck (Phantom Brave) Perhaps the single most customizable system out there, Phantom Brave has seemingly simple rules of gameplay but the ways to interact with objects (and your characters can count as objects as well) make for a large number of out of the box solutions to battles with a dash of delightful insanity.
- Straight up action hack and slash (Modern Ys games) You can't really argue with a game where you hop on a giant centipede's back and start hacking parts off it with an axe to reduce the amount of lightning strikes on the battlefield and oh god it's dropping poison bombs now because I'm hacking off parts okay use the wind shield to spin them away and now it's spinning around the arena as a wheel aaaaa
- Dual screen action THING (The World Ends With You) One character on each screen, control one with stylus, other with d-pad, good luck trying to keep up! Fast and furious system that allows you to ease yourself into it by putting one character on auto and dynamically adjusting difficulty. Only problem is the stylus controls being a bit finicky.
- ATB with charge/recharge times and combos (Final Fantasy X-2) The one good use of ATB!
- Good ol' materia system (Final Fantasy 7) If only this was CTB...an awesome customization system right here, even today.
- Turn-based squad-based WAR (The Last Remnant) No other RPG captures the feeling of duking it out on the battlefield nearly as well. Tactics, positioning, morale, a ton of little touches like deadlocked squads sizing each other up and trying to attack and dodge each other while you're choosing commands just for visual flavor.
- Non-frontview pure CTB. (Ex: Atelier Iris 3, Final Fantasy X) A heavenly system with so much potential for varied pure RPG-battle goodness without being overcluttered or overcomplicated. It's just the perfect clean slate though - the enjoyability is fully dependent on the design of the systems and fights built around it. Sadly all games I've played have some issues with it - AI3 does best, but it has the cardinal flaw of being way, way too easy. (Non-frontview specified because it's much more intuitive to process the information of a character getting visually hit than just a line of numbers changing on your status window, for the record.)
- CTB tactical map. (Ex: Final Fantasy Tactics) Similarly, the way to go for SRPGs. I consider the LFT hack to be pretty much the ultimate experience in this regard in terms of straight up tactics RPG gameplay.
And talking more specific...
- CTB tactical map, now with summoning and resource control (Vantage Master) A duel of summoners! Figure out which creatures to use and how, secure magic stones to keep up MP regeneration, take a swing at the enemy's forces with your hero itself if you dare, even. Simply brilliant and has online multiplayer as a bonus.
- CTB tactical map, now with summoning and did you just literally hit me with a trainwreck (Phantom Brave) Perhaps the single most customizable system out there, Phantom Brave has seemingly simple rules of gameplay but the ways to interact with objects (and your characters can count as objects as well) make for a large number of out of the box solutions to battles with a dash of delightful insanity.
- Straight up action hack and slash (Modern Ys games) You can't really argue with a game where you hop on a giant centipede's back and start hacking parts off it with an axe to reduce the amount of lightning strikes on the battlefield and oh god it's dropping poison bombs now because I'm hacking off parts okay use the wind shield to spin them away and now it's spinning around the arena as a wheel aaaaa
- Dual screen action THING (The World Ends With You) One character on each screen, control one with stylus, other with d-pad, good luck trying to keep up! Fast and furious system that allows you to ease yourself into it by putting one character on auto and dynamically adjusting difficulty. Only problem is the stylus controls being a bit finicky.
- ATB with charge/recharge times and combos (Final Fantasy X-2) The one good use of ATB!
- Good ol' materia system (Final Fantasy 7) If only this was CTB...an awesome customization system right here, even today.
- Turn-based squad-based WAR (The Last Remnant) No other RPG captures the feeling of duking it out on the battlefield nearly as well. Tactics, positioning, morale, a ton of little touches like deadlocked squads sizing each other up and trying to attack and dodge each other while you're choosing commands just for visual flavor.
Game Pet Peeves
My game pet peeve is calling SMT games hard when 90% of the difficulty comes from withholding the player information or surprises that cannot be reacted to
Game Pet Peeves
I like %-based healing both because HP as a stat usually needs all the help it can get, and I don't like my items getting outdated. The FF7 hack I've been working on makes Potions 25/50/75%, the standard Potion is still pretty worthless with this but hey it's better than mighty 100 HP healing.
Fun fact about FF2: The people who hit themselves for hours to raise their HP are the ones who find the endgame ungodly hard because all the relevant enemies do %-based damage !!
Fun fact about FF2: The people who hit themselves for hours to raise their HP are the ones who find the endgame ungodly hard because all the relevant enemies do %-based damage !!
Would this annoy you?
post=138849
I know you played Visions & Voices. How did that compare, considering it is "TEN DAYS UNTIL THE WORLD IS LOVECRAFT'D. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER" as well?
Well, V&V also hardcaps your power level, so I just made a point to explore everything and then rest my way to endgame.
Would this annoy you?
post=138840
Valkyrie Profile is a good example of how it's done right in an rpg (other than the obvious fallout/oblivion). I guess you could say the game is kinda linear since there is a world map with only a select few locations (which eventually open up over time). You have to poke around to find quests, though. And the game doesn't specifically tell you where to go.
"21 DAYS UNTIL RAGNAROK. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER"
Since there are only a handful of locations to go to, it's pretty easy to find quests and recruit people. Plus the areas are small, so it's not like you're wandering around in the dark.
This was pretty novel but the hard capped time limit made me somewhat paranoid about being strong enough for endgame and I spent way more time grinding than I should have by entering a dungeon each available free day. Ultimately my own fault but the game should probably have some kind of disclaimer that you don't need to resort that kind of behavior or it should have diminishing/no returns for it.
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