Though I may not look it, I'm really untelligent.
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President Trump

I wasn't talking about killing people, just about preventing people from getting pregnant. China's one child rule is an example of this precise thing put into action, and it's worked well for them.

Two things.
1) Preventing people from getting pregnant is a form of discrimination, no matter how you slice it. And if a woman does get pregnant when she's not allowed to, what then? Fine her? Arrest her? ...force her to abort it?
You've probably noticed that most Western countries have a big demographics problem. There aren't quite as many young as there are old, and a lot of social programs are at risk of being underfunded because of it. This is all because we're reasonably well off, have opportunities, and our women are educated and allowed to be more than homemakers and breeding mares. Families get smaller in these circumstances, and the population naturally shrinks.
So the humane solution to a "human overpopulation" problem, if it even existed, is to elevate everybody's standard of living.

2) China's one-child policy is a catastrophe whose seeds have yet to bear fruit. Not only is it disproportionately gaping compared to anybody in the Western world, but Chinese hypernationalism will thwart the dampening effects of immigration.
Right now, the oldest person born under the one-child policy is 38, meaning the previous generation is still of working age, so there's still some time. But when they start retiring and the following generation is less than half their size (have to account for deaths along the way), China is going to implode.

President Trump

Good grief, what makes you so sure that current-gen robots are going to be the be-all and end-all? You act as if we're 25-50 years away from turning the entirety of the human race into loafers and failed musicians.

The robotization of everything would take at least a generation to roll out in a hypothetically perfect scenario, which we don't live in. Ergo, Robotics is probably the next big labor field. If we want to get ourselves to the point where a mechanical arm hands us coffee through a Drive-Thru window, we'll need at least that much. And when Space Travel is viable, people will begin hopping into space ships and checking out new real estate, so there'll be that too.
I'm just using my imagination but there's little else to use. After all, nobody saw Computer Technology absorbing the labor power lost to computerization.

President Trump

This whole paragraph is notable for being practically meaningless (as in, it could mean just about anything) without any specific issues such logic might address.

I don't know what's so ambiguous about it. I basically said that if humans don't achieve the capability of leaving earth for good, we're as doomed as the polar bears and the spotted owls.
So crying and raising a stink over a few habitats spoiled in the name of progress is probably the wrong way to go.

@All the utopian (and not-so-utopian) replies about automation: I think that you're buying into the hype, and the whole automation thing most closely resembles the promises of "Nuclear Dawn" in the 1960's, before it turned out any plant safer than Three Mile Island and Chernobyl ones would cost magnitudes more than what these dreamers anticipated, and there isn't enough commercially viable uranium to run a lot of nuclear plants for a long time regardless. Here, you still have the same resource consideration: no-one seems willing to calculate just how much gold and rare earth metals (they're called that way for a reason) you would need to supply, to make this "robots replace all workers" come true. Even if you manage to find enough commercially available supplies to do so once (doubtful), the commercially available supplies of these minerals are likely to run dry in a decade or two later at most, and then you'll be back at square one.

What? This argument again?
The ancient Greeks worried that shipbuilding would destroy all the forests. In the 19th century, pessimists worried that coal would run out and the industrial revolution would come crashing down.
In 2017, we have a shortage of neither trees nor coal. Resource dependency on them has declined to such a point that now we have huge surpluses of each (trees are debatable since it's subjective individually). 20 years from now, I suspect Uranium will become an object of total revulsion.
Sorry, but the idea that we shouldn't use a resource because we might run out of it is silly.

As an aside, taxing robots because they'll steal jobs is asinine. Any politician who proposes that should be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.

Your belief that automation won't adversely affect humans and jobs is too Utopian. This time it's different.

Look guys.
At the start of the last century, manufacturing was still very manual. A machine had people at the infeed, the outfeed, in-between for operation, delivering raw material to the machine, taking finished goods away, and repeat for each stage of the entire process (there are usually many, many stages in the production of anything). A lot of those jobs started disappearing on account of computerization.
But the catch is, a brand new economic sector opened up because of Computerization, in the Computer sector, and nobody saw it coming either.

President Trump

You know, this is one of the bad things about public education: government dictates what is taught.

Actually, I think government should be the only one who dictates what is taught, indirectly dictated by the population at large. The last thing we want is one private school acting like Corfaisus' boot camp and another being a glorified day care. Standards will cease to exist, and even if government tries to set a floor like you suggest, you'll still end up with a stratified education system where if you're not a graduate from one of the top tier schools, you need not apply. That's a path to backwardization.
It's easy to scoff at the idea of government standards being directed by the electors, especially in the face of the last twenty years of systemic deterioration, but keep in mind that right now, the squeaky wheels are getting the grease. I think the recent Women's March is a sign of the times, and we'll see a greater participation at large going forward.

I have never heard of that fuckhead. I just know we're destroying everything else to make room for ourselves.

You may not have heard of him, but he's already done a number on you. The root cause of widespread pessimism in the western world comes from the idea that "Humans are the problem", which itself stems from his ideologies being carried forward to the present day.
Now when you say "destroying everything else to make room for ourselves", what exactly is the fate of everything else? That's easy. They're doomed. Sooner or later, the entire planet and everything on it will be eradicated by a meteor, a solar flare, or if it makes it that far, our own sun's supernova. The only species with a chance of prolonging it's existence is humanity.
That's not to say "fuck everything else, we're more important", but you have to accept that you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

So, is a coup d'etat happening right now in the USA? It seems like EO after EO is getting signed and put into immediate effect (even though they break laws and/or violate the Constitution)

He's practicing Decisionism. It basically says that laws are valid and indisputable as long as they come from the proper authority. Obviously in Trump and America's case, it violates the entire system of government, but that's the idea. It's a philosophy that tries to justify overruling the legal constitutional government in favor of dictatorship, or at least centralism.

Also, I think I mentioned in another thread that if Trump wins, we won't see fair elections in 2020.

The year is 2032: "Does anyone remember rpgmaker.net?"

The North remembers, anyway.

President Trump

To directly reply to what you're saying, making post secondary school free relies on an existing system that is outdated. What we need to do is increase the educational requirements of main schooling. Why aren't most kids learning trigonometry in high school? Why aren't they learning general physics? Psychology? Business sciences? The courses exist. In today's society, they need to be mandatory and education needs to shift focus on them instead of just giving them lip service. Teach basic maths and science in primary schools and STOP teaching them in high school. Move on. High schools don't move on. The basic maths and science keeps going on and on and on, and no wonder kids aren't learning anything. The schools won't teach!
Yeah, I completely agree with you, but Post-secondary will still be necessary for specialization's sake.
On improving the setup for a person's mental foundation from K-12, you're right. It'll be a tough sell though, for two reasons. One is the current political process. The Democrats undervalue the role of education of their potential voter base, and the Republicans downright want people stupid and backwards because that's how demagogy works.
The second reason is the current generation of parents who're spoiling their kids rotten. Every time a class or subject comes up at school that's "hard", a parent comes flying into the teacher's lounge to yell and scream. I'm all for the PTA and good relations, but schools and teachers have lost a lot of ground.

That's Blindmind's quote, not mine.
And I'm not sure if your post is meant to be a joke or not ಠ_ಠ
FYI, Overpopulation is a myth. The idea that the world has a carrying capacity stems from Malthusianism, a crappy and fraudulent ideology spread by the titular Thomas Malthus. He posits that, unchecked, population growth outpaces food production and will lead to a "population crash". Problem is, his theory completely neglects advances in technology and has been proven wrong again and again and again, for over 200 fucking years, but people still subscribe to the idea.
His writings are very popular with oligarchs, the super rich, and so on, because his "solutions" tend to revolve around privileges and restrictions based on class, and it indirectly confers on them the role of administrators of the human race. That's why you see it permeate the mainstream of what you read in the newspapers, see on TV, see in movies, etc.

Earth may indeed have a maximum population. But we're nowhere near it.

Cultures would end up overlapping, colliding and building more towards a single being instead.
Yep. That's human civilization in a nutshell. 200 years after Rome conquered Gaul; "Mommy, what's a Gaul", "I don't know".
I think humanity will eventually reach a point of such cultural and racial saturation that we'll just be "humans".

President Trump

I'm not sure I share Dhyalto's opptimism that new jobs will emerge indefinitely with technology though.

This sounds a bit nonsensical, but beyond just a rediscovered appreciation of the humanities, I think the automation/AI explosion requires a very large ideological shift in how we deal with human labor. Ultimately (probably well-within our lifetime), we're not just going to be discussing factory robots or self-driving cars...even "white collar" work will be lessened. We don't have any political systems capable of absorbing that. Most of our usual productivity, or work that involves human drudgery, can no longer be the foundation of basic income and survival. That is...unless we want terrifying wealth inequality that's far beyond even what we see nowadays.

Ah, but there's more to it. As technology advances, so too does the education requirements for the workforce increase with it.

The occupations of 1,000 years ago didn't require much in the way of training. The handful of highly skilled jobs were covered by nobility or the wealthy. Further down the ladder, people could apprentice and learn a trade, but the vast majority would pull their weight in the fields, the ships, the lumbermills, and so on.
During the industrial revolution, the uneducated could still make a living pulling levers and pushing buttons, but machinery needed design, installation and maintenance, and that required a massively expanded capability of the workforce. The social situation accommodated it such that if you wanted to be a millwright, you didn't have to look for an old millwright who might like you enough to take you in. Fifty of you could go to school, become millwrights, and get jobs.
Where are we today? Well, we're pretty much at the point where a High School education alone is worthless. Post-Secondary Education is mandatory. All of us have anecdotes where we saw a Help Wanted retail job that required some kind of college degree, and our reactions were "WTF?!" That's not a particularly good case, but it's the direction things are going. It's one of the reasons I believe post-secondary education should be free.

And with the expansion of people's skillsets comes a general expansion of their mind, and that by itself will bring about new technologies, new opportunities, new frontiers, etc, because people will simply be able to see more. Not everyone will be a prodigy, but if 1 in 100 do something different, and many tens of millions go that route, then things are bound to happen that us non-prodigies could never see coming.

Really now. 1,000 years ago, people said they'd never cross the sea. It was too vicious. Now, we're saying we'll never cross space. Shit is too far. Balogna.


For every week of real life stuff, I need a week where I get to work on what I want

I've always wanted some kind of dimensional rift I could step into where time wouldn't pass while I was in it. That way I could finish Valor Emblem play frivolous video games and get nothing accomplished in Zero time.

RMN Events That You Enjoyed The Most, Wish You Entered, And Ones That You Could Have Done Better In

There was an event a long, long, loooong time ago. I'm thinking 2008 or so. It even predates the Past Events chronicle.

It was a Boss Battle showcase where participants uploaded a video to youtube of a boss fight in their game (or something made up). 10-minutes was the YT max back then, so that was as big as it could go. There were 20-30 entries, the majority of which just from people's games, showing either cool technicals, neat graphics and anims, high drama, or just making you laugh from silliness.

Nothing like it's been done since and it's such a simple concept.